I'm getting tired of the hate-America crowd threatening to leave the United States every time the going gets tough. I say, "Go and go now" if that's what they think of our great country. Good riddance to Texas if its governor, Rick Perry, wants to take the Lone Star State on its own. Texans would soon be groveling to come back to the USA, and I would suggest we say "No way."
If Gov. Perry thinks Texas is better off than the United States as a whole, then he deserves to be out of the Union. Let's take one star of the American Flag right now.
This great nation needs to pull together, not be divided by people who want to tear down the country. I'm sure glad people like Perry weren't around during the American Revolution, the Great Depression and World War II. They'd be running for the tall grass at the first sign of trouble.
So what do you think? Should Texans leave the union or should we just toss them out?
No, let's keep Texas until we deplete it from all it's natual resources.
Perry is not just threatening leave the United States because the going is tough; he's protesting the erosion of the states' rights as outlined in the Constitution, and the overruling of them by the Federal Government. This reminds me of the furor over Limbaugh's "I hope Obama fails" -- EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THE CONTEXT.
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/12227/
In the '70's after I returned from a year of combat in Vietnam I was a target of the, "Love It or Leave It" crowd because of my activism against the war.
Here I am 40 years later thinking, "Well Texas, take Alabama, Mississippi, and all the rest of those Southern seditionist states with you when you go!"
Funny how time and maturity make you wiser.
Rick Perry isn't pretending to advance American interests by endorsing the hypocricy of Obamas new amigos, Hugo Chavez and Daniel Ortega, with a smile, a hug and a handshake either.
"Should Texans leave the union or should we just toss them out?" (JB)
Wrong question! We should be asking, "How can we fix what is broken?" Seems to be a touchy issue with you!
"Anti American talk...."? "... Hate America crowd..."? (Are you really, really serious about labeling a governor of a state as guilty of, "anti American talk"? Must be the new benevolent and caring and sensitive compassion that Obama talks about!).
Maybe we ought to reflect on a previous generation that was unfairly perceived as part of the "hate America crowd" (by the English). Our Founders wrote such crazy, radical things as, "But WHEN A LONG TRAIN OF ABUSES AND USURPATIONS, PURSUING INVARIABLY THE SAME OBJECT EVINCES A DESIGN TO REDUCE THEM UNDER ABSOLUTE DESPOTISM, IT IS THEIR RIGHT, IT IS THEIR DUTY, TO THROW OFF SUCH GOVERNMENT, and to provide new guards for their future security." Declaration of Independence (in part) - (Adopted by Congress on July 4, 1776).
And if they jumped off that cliff, would all the red states follow?
So, let's just dissolve this marriage and deal with the world's great economies, and each other separately. Imagine that, 50 new, mixed governmental units, some Republics, some Dictatorships, a Monarchy or two.... All the border disputes, tariff wars, and total disruption. All buying their consumer goods from China because it isn't as bad as having to deal with, God forbid, Michigan. The only production taking place in the states will be agriculture, (including marijuana), and alcohol, as the idea of mass production of manufactured goods depends on an extended market. Then we'll start having border skirmishes to regain some imagined former property, someone will call for foreign assistance, and there you go.
Divorce as a GOP family value.
Technically, Texas would be able to since it came into the Union as a separate country and the treaty of annexation allows/ed to leave. But when they tried it in 1861 Lincoln was having none of it and the state was brought back in. States that joined the Union of their own free will (such as Texas) are in it for the long-haul. They weren't forcibly conquered like the parts of the former Soviet Union. If they don't like what's happening then they can help fix it. Leaving is certainly not the way. Remember what Andre Jackson, Republic of Texas founder Sam Houston's friend, said about secession: he'd hang the first secessionist he found when South Carolina was rumbling about it in the 1830s. Watch out Governor Perry, Old Hickory's ghost might just swoop in. Oh yes, I agree with Jim Boren, in case you didn't catch that.
"This great nation needs to pull together, not be divided by people who want to tear down the country."
Absolutely right. The Left, led by King Barack the I ("he's ready to rule on day one"), needs to get the heck out of Dodge. It is the Left that has fueled all of the rage and hate that is tearing this country apart.
Let them all go and actually live in a nation where you can't call the president "Hitler" and live to tell about it. Let them actually live in a nation that is socialist and/or communist. Let them actually live in a nation that tells them what they can and cannot print and/or say in the media.
If the juveniles currently in charge of such things actually had to live under a system they claim to admire, we would all hear a lot less about it.
Boren, you're amazing. How in the world could you compare Texas talking about leaving the Union with the American Revolution. Go back to writing about new coffee shops in town - something you know about.
Cause and effect Jim... what precipitated Perry's statement? ... loss of State and personal rights to a centralized Huge Federal Government? Yeah that sounds pretty crazy but if you'd have done your homework you wouldn't have written such an idiotic blog.
I am sure that Perry had his reasons to speak about secession. As the Obama government and the Democrats in Congress dish out dollars with no value and demand more and more federal rules that leave the states hand-tied. Though I personally don't believe this is the answer, the conservative element in this country needs to speak loud and clear to their representatives about the ever-increasing hold of laws coming out of Washington.
Most federal assistance to states come with conditions. If states don't want the federal money, they can just say no. I would enjoy watching Texas and the rest of the failed and near-failed economies of a substantial number of the states twist in the wind following succession.
The only thing I would miss if Texas left the union would be the Dixie Chicks, but they probably live in Malibu or Santa Barbara now, anyway.
OK, we've already tried the Contract w/ America, spied on American's telephone and Internet traffic, half drowned people 183 times w/ no information to give, started a second war using faulty information, kept prisoners of war incommunicado (while calling them unlawful enemy combatants... criminals?), given out no-bid contracts to contractors who can't ground the electrical systems around American showers, allowed rats at the Walter Reed hospital housing, considered Ken Lay for Energy Czar, raped California over electricity, watched the American economy do a nosedive, encouraged bigger and thirstier cars, allowed the Justice Dept. to become a pit of yes men... whew!
Before that we removed vocational education from the secondary school system, increasing our dependence on foreign born workers, and then we harp about the foreign workers.
So, if none of that really worked, why go back to it?
Whoever chose to write under the pen name "common-sense" to hide behind their fiction needs to be brave enough to stand up for their rights. I detest people who take positions that support commonsense-challenged individuals like Limbaugh, and then claim a high and mighty role.We are suffering globally from 8 years of abuse of power supported by this "trash-speak"... enough is enough!
Declare your identity and then let's have an intelligent debate...if you are indeed capable of that human gift!
Geraldo 'bout flipped out over this last week when he was on the Hannity TV show, saying the idea has... "connotations about slavery: and other issues. When one really digs into the history, not just the spin of the Lincoln administration, it is shocking to learn that it is not unconstitutional for any state to secede from the union. I heard too, that Texas, as a country prior to being achieving statehood, has more claim to a secession right than the original colonies. My understanding is that each colony was a sovereign country prior to signing on as a "state" and that those state founders had no intention of giving up their sovereign rights. We aren't going to fight that war over again, but the reasons for the war are still with us. And, that is what is becoming more evident with increasing federalization, whether it is water rights in California, coal mines in western states or to increased numbers of federal crimes as Catherine Cryer has written about.
You can tell this blog was started in the liberal state of California where inmates have more rights then the average person . Where children and elderly people are denied health care so an inmate can recieve free cable tv in his cell and the best medical treatment available . If Texas wants to leave let the people of the state of Texas decide not us maybe they will suceed maybe they will fail but at least they are not afraid to try . And California needs to stay out of it and worry about are own state !
Doesn't anyone think that it is rather ironic that a Republican governor is suggesting secession over states rights? As I recall, a Republican president fought a civil war to keep Southern states, including Texas, from seceding from the United States and state rights was their main reason for seceding, including the right to own slaves. I wonder if Governor Perry wants to return to the good old days.
And what was your last name Adam? Hiding behind a first name only, are we? Declare your identity and then let's have an intelligent debate..."
And if it did happen, Texas could join OPEC. Then the alignment would be Chavez and Perry, et al vs. the rest of us oil addicts. Tell them they have the right to secede, but you wish they hadn't, when you buy your motor fuel for $10 a gallon.
Common sense: That quality of mind that tells you that the world is flat.
T.C. Morgan ; Jim Boren does not have to be "really, really serious." All he had to do is to toss it out there and wait for the bloggers to take it hook, line and sinker. Mission accomplished. The beehive had stopped buzzing. Too many bees left because of the insults, name calling and the boring repetition of inane political rhetoric. But the beehive has to be buzzing to harvest advertising dollars.
For whatever reason, a second comment of mine wasn't posted. I'll try again.........
"A number of recent federal proposals are not within the scope of the federal government’s constitutionally designated powers and impede the states’ right to govern themselves. HCR 50 affirms that Texas claims sovereignty under the 10th Amendment over all powers not otherwise granted to the federal government."
THAT is what is at issue here. If conceding all power to a central government is no big deal, then let's do away with the Constitution and remove the "United States" from our name.
Adam: Care to specify what fiction I'm promoting?
James: Never mind, not worth a reply.
common sense; The Supremacy Clause is a clause in the United States Constitution, article VI, paragraph 2. The clause establishes the Constitution, Federal Statutes, and U.S. treaties as "the supreme law of the land." The text establishes these as the highest form of law in the American legal system, mandating that state judges uphold them, even if state laws or constitutions conflict.
Text · The Fourteenth Amendment ·
What it boils down to is that for months I have been watching a certain group and their robed handlers assert the right to change long held laws and beliefs. When reality finally hit that group cried everyone trips over each other to console them as they acted out near churches and temples. In Texas we have a Governor who is making a stand on long held principles of free people and Jim is ready to kick them to the curb. It is frightening that antes are on the table so soon after such a historic inauguration. Whether you like or not people are not going to sit around and be silent. We want our country back, I hope you get it.
Amen to that TC.
Texas has always clung to that "Republic of Texas" theme, and they've played that card many times in the past, but like TC reminds us;...
"...Maybe we ought to reflect on a previous generation that was unfairly perceived as part of the "hate America crowd" (by the English). Our Founders wrote such crazy, radical things as", "...but WHEN A LONG TRAIN OF ABUSES AND USURPATIONS, PURSUING INVARIABLY THE SAME OBJECT EVINCES A DESIGN TO REDUCE THEM UNDER ABSOLUTE DESPOTISM, IT IS THEIR RIGHT, IT IS THEIR DUTY, TO THROW OFF SUCH GOVERNMENT, and to provide new guards for their future security." Declaration of Independence (in part) - (Adopted by Congress on July 4, 1776)
Are you talking about Kosovo (The limbo-nation of islamic secessionists brought to you by Clinton, Albright, Clark, Holbrooke and Jennings) or The Republic of Texas?
By the way prior to statehood we were a California Republic.
All this constitutional and historical literacy being displayed... I hope you also displayed outrage at the flushing of Habeas Corpus, and the bypassing of the special courts that occurred in the last administration. All this talk of secession reminds me of the bully who isn't guaranteed a win in marbles, and decides to just pack up and leave rather than accept a defeat. It also shows a lack of patience... No matter how much you dislike a particular president, he's only there for 4-8 years. It only took most conservatives 7 years to figure out that the last one wasn't up to the job... hence the extremely low approval ratings during the last year.
Good try. But the so-called California Republic lasted only 3 weeks, controlled just a small part of the state (around Sonoma) and had no diplomatic recognition. The Republic of Texas, on the other hand, lasted 9 years, was in control of its claimed territory and had diplomatic relations with the US, Britain and France. No matter, since 1865 Texas has no more right to secede than any of the other states - unless it wants to assume its legitimate portion of the national debt and repay any federal money spent on it. I agree that President Obummer is a bad one but that doesn't give any state the right to duck out and leave the rest of us with him - especially as their favorite son, Bush (another worthless and bemused alleged president), created the situation that gave us the present occupant of the White House.
What sticks with me is Perry's running theme that "Texas' economy is in relatively good shape compared with other states." That says to me that "we got ours so we are going to thumb our nose at the rest of you." Would he be on his soap box if Texas wasn't in good shape? He talks of being American. Did he forget about "We the People for the People?" Or does "the People" only mean to the border of Texas? I haven't heard of him speaking about states rights before things went belly up. Is he only willing the ride the coat tales until they ask Texas to stand up? That doesn't seem like the Texans I know. Pure bravado and publicity is all the guy is. I won't think different until he works to right the wrong instead of tossing our idle threats. If they are not idle and the citizens of his state agree... Then "see ya".
No argument Mr. Genini. So show us how easy it is for you to remove the word "Republic" from the flag. I'll be waiting, nice try yourself...in advance.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-sargent/2009/04/20/trouble-brewing-caucasus-media-silent
>
While we are on the topic of brief republics.
What sticks with me is Perry's running theme that "Texas' economy is in relatively good shape compared with other states."
Texas is actually below average based on per capita household income. The only thing that keep it from being a relatively poor state is its oil wealth. I haven't checked, but I'd bet they're a net recipient of federal money. (Rather than a net donor like California.)
Ed Hawke should run the US House. He seems to be channeling Pelosi. Liberals own rage and hate. Their President has changed.........nothing. Texas economy is better. Their taxes are lower, welfare costs way below US averages, and their schools are better. It's called conservatism in practice - something Bush 43 never tried.
Good comment. But I hope I don't sound silly when I say this. I noticed the word "train" in the quotes. And this was a quote from 1776?
The word train is in the Declaration of Independence. The word train had been part of the English dictionary prior to applying it to the railroad vehicle. It is my guess that the concept succession; a synonym of train was applied to the hooked together (in succession) railroad cars, making it a train. I studied English in England.
Cable TV in their cells? Sounds like "cruel and unusual punishment" to me.
I can't help but be amused at all of the posts from Republicans chastising the last presidency, when we, (the left,) tried to warn them about the lies and deception for 8 years, we were called Bush-haters and blame America firsters, or told we didn't support the troops and were being treasonous.
Now, are we to believe you've all become born-again critical thinkers?
First, you must admit you have a problem...
I think the left ought to know how bad the idea is to interrupt a well deserved Bush retirement. If President Obama is as smart as you think he is this charade will end soon. If folks are serious about holding former President Bush accountable for the extraordinary job he did securing this nation, I would suggest a Medal of Freedom.
If folks are serious about holding former President Bush accountable for the extraordinary job he did securing this nation, I would suggest a Medal of Freedom.
Excellent point. It's about time Bush got recognized for not allowing any major attacks on U.S. soil after the destruction of the World Trade Center and the attack on the Pentagon, and the attendant, tragic loss of life.
In a similar vein, I suggest we recognize Joseph Hazelwood for not running any supertankers aground since the Exxon Valdez, and Ken Lay (posthumously) for not bankrupting any major corporations since Enron.
Let's watch Clinton push around the new administration in Pakistan. She couldn't wait to see Musharraf go...now he is gone, Bhutto is dead and Pakistan is full of happy lawyers who got their way. She wants to put all of our domestic issues on the back burner so she's wagging the dog.
We're losing Texas but we got you back Mike D... I figure that was a pretty good trade. Good to see you back.