Bloggers from the right and left are going to town on the GOP's consternation over alleged voter registration fraud by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, known affectionately as ACORN. The righties assert that the group's efforts are part of plan by the Obama campaign to steal the election from McCain-Palin. The lefties scoff.
On the right:
John Hinderaker at Power Line:
The shocking part is that Obama goes on to say that voter registration fraud is no problem. On the contrary, like everything else that doesn't advance his campaign, it's a 'distraction.' What Obama knows but doesn't want to acknowledge is that when hundreds of thousands of phony registrations have been submitted, and ACORN knows what those phony names and addresses are, the door to voter fraud is wide open. Absentee ballots can easily be cast on behalf of those non-existent but registered "voters," and they can cast ballots in person as long as someone from ACORN or the Obama campaign is willing to show up at the polls and give a false name.
On the left:
Ezra Klein in the American Prospect:
When it comes to this ACORN stuff, there's nothing new under the sun. It's just that Republicans are more desperate, and more likely to lose, and there's more potential in stoking racial resentment and fear when the Democratic candidate is black, and so they're spending more time on it.
Read more of this good stuff on National Journal's Blogometer:
Meanwhile, the rest of America worries about job security, retirement savings, college costs, health care ...
Sure we care about those things Rush...but we also care about what these guys at ACORN are doing to pervert this election and you should be ouraged too.To insert race is disgusting...sounds like the lefties are the desperate ones as their candidate gets exposed for the dirt bag he is.
Amen.
Hmmm. I recall recent elections in 2000 and 2004 where the dems cried "voter fraud" that supposedly occurred in Florida and Ohio. Of course, we're supposed to ignore the fact that it occurred in democrat run counties.
This ACORN stuff is blatant voter registration fraud, not made up. Everybody should be outraged about it. It should be illegal to pay for people to register others to vote so the emphasis is on the civic duty, not the money. (Yeah, right, like that would happen).
After all, the ends justify the means.
This is becoming more and more an election of the givers vs the takers with the people who actually pay taxes (65% of Americans) being set up for huge tax hikes.
Er, how did we get from alleging fraud to saying "it should be illegal"? That's not a very clear line of reasoning there. If fraud occured, it had to be under current law. It's not illegal to pay people to register voters. Fran B. cites no reason why it should be, other than "civic duty." Should police and firefighters volunteer their time as their "civic duty"? If you want to volunteer your own time, fine, but why should we expect others to work for free?
Registration fraud (as opposed to voting fraud) is primarily a crime against the organization - ACORN in this case. They are paying people good money to register new voters, not to produce fraudulent forms. That doesn't accomplish their purpose, and costs them money as well as harm to their reputation.
It seems to me that the idea of having groups or organizations going around registering folks should not be allowed. Folks know there's an election coming up and it's their duty to register. If they haven't done so, too bad. This is a waste or money and time. If registration fraud is found, let's fine the group and eliminate it from conducting this from now on.
People are outside of alot of stores to register voters or get people to sign petitions. I think it is up to the individual to register if they want to vote. The people are getting paid for each new registrant so that opens up easy voter fraud. Anyone can come up with a fake name and get an absentee ballot. They need to have a system to check that a person is who they say they are. This could be another year where it is contested and we wont find out the true winner for months. I hate it when people play the race card for anything. We are all equal no matter our skin color.
As long as people like Ezra Klein continue to go for the racial throat every time a minority-oriented group is criticized, we will have unresolved racial tension. It's not racial resentment as she stated, but disgust directed at ACORN's organized effort to willfully interfere with our process to freely choose our leaders. I say "organized," as in organized crime, or organized union thugs...
Mike D
Comparing voter registration people to police and fire is a rather specious argument. When money comes into the equation, ie: registrations for dollars, fraud is going to appear.
Registration fraud hurts more than ACORN since they get a huge chunk of change from us tazpayers. As long as you can assure me the payments came out of the $800,000 that Obama paid them, then I'll listen.
"...The group denies such a conspiracy, though it has acknowledged that some employees—now fired—handed in falsified forms with names such as "Mickey Mouse."
Being naive is usually not one of my shortcommings, but how can voter fraud be done with the above I got from google?
During the elections in 2000 and 2004 Republicans caught a lot of flack for having shaky affiliations to voter fraud, and voter suppression, and they're doing it again now and trying to use the ACORN thing to throw up a smoke screen. Granted there have been some instances where fictitious names were written down and those people were fired. Fictitious people don't become voters because they don't exist. People have to be cross referenced with Driver's Licenses and so forth to actually be registered to vote. ACORN doesn't do that. That's not their job.
The Republicans however are working feverishly to discredit ALL new registered voters because most of them nationwide (by a large margin) are Democrats. They are trying to complicate the process and have them removed from the voting rolls.
You can read the presentation about using justice to suppress the vote, or I've got several other links about this story. Just ask, or google it yourself. Brain Williams talked about it just tonight on Nightly News.
Sharrard's cautionary tone was a response to the Republican Party's ongoing nationwide campaign to suppress the low-income minority vote by propagating the myth of voter fraud. Using various tactics -- including media smears, bogus lawsuits, restrictive new voting laws and policies, and flimsy prosecutions -- Republican operatives, election officials, and the GOP-controlled Justice Department have limited voting access and gone after voter-registration groups such as ACORN.
The whole story is here. The Republican War on Voting.
Or let's review what happened in OHIO, a critical state for George Bush, in 2004.
Here's an excerpt from an article:
A high-level Republican consultant has been subpoenaed in a case regarding alleged tampering with the 2004 election.
Michael L. Connell was served with a subpoena in Ohio on Sept. 22 in a case alleging that vote-tampering during the 2004 presidential election resulted in civil rights violations. Connell, president of GovTech Solutions and New Media Communications, is a website designer and IT professional who created a website for Ohio’s secretary of state that presented the results of the 2004 election in real time as they were tabulated.
At the time, Ohio’s Secretary of State, Kenneth J. Blackwell, was also chairman of Bush-Cheney 2004 reelection effort in Ohio.
Don't get me started on the fiasco in Florida 8 years ago where tens of thousands of democrats were turned away on technicalities created by the then Secretary of State Katherine Harris, a Bush supporter if not part of his campaign. Oh...what else...you guessed it Georgie's brother was the governor. Let's use the repubs favorite expression, guilt by association.
A lot of you are forgetting that ACORN is not a federal organization and can not register voters...it can only submit voters to be registered.
So those of you calling Obama a "dirtbag" need look no further than your own party for the kings of fixing elections.
If Obama is such a stand up guy why is it that his associations show otherwise. They say you are what you eat and are judged by those that you keep company with. Enough said.
Fact of the matter is most Americans want to know more about the issues that matter to them, not campaign attack ads.
Does the McCain campaign think they will win by trying to sandbag Obama?
Americans have smartened up since Bush and Carl Rove.
Ms. Krage has the disconcerting style of not answering questions directly.
I was oblivious of ACORN until recently. So my question is: how can one perpetrate voter fraud with writing in Mickey Mouse?
And that is a question and not a justification as the Krage post seems to imply.
Isabel it is easy for them to register a bunch of false names and show up at the polls to cast a ballot just as people file many false tax returns to collect fraudulent refunds. Why is this so hard for you to grasp. If your question isnt answered then I don't know what you want so maybe you can answer your own question. I get that Obama is your candidate but sorry I just dont like him and that is my right.
Mike S.
For the record, many fireman ARE volunteers. Our valley, and mountains is full of small communities with volunteer fire departments.
Rich
Everytime anyone pokes holes in BO's record: His lack of experience, his contradiction, his lieing, his verbal trashing of his own country, his poisonous and racist spiritual mentor (Jeremiah Wright), a long list of seedy associations (Lewis Farrakan, Tony Rezco, William Ayers, ACORN), or his condescending, elitists remarks made about traditional Americans, somehow it's sand-bagging, or a personal attack, or mudslinging.
The mudslinging and personal attacks are perpetrated by the left in the following examples: 'Sarah Palin is a Bitch' T-shirts; remarks about McCains age (age descrimination), calling McCains smile sinister (media quote), Obama approved ads that misrepresent McCains record, a Democratic Congressman publically stating that Sarah Palin is a Ku Klux Klanner, dispicable personal attacks on Palin's family (even a 17 year old girl was fair game), participating in sexism/shovenism when liberals decide for Sarah Palin that she should stay home with her special needs child, rather than go to work (in the White House), to name a few.
Americans have a right to known, and must know the facts about BO's record, his values, in order to make a reasoned decision of who to vote for. If BO's background is mudding, he was the one who wallowed in it.
The fact that the lefties (media, communist, socialist-Democrats) in our country want to keep the truth from us about Obama should send up enough red flags, and reason enough to vote the MCCAIN-PALIN ticket. The choice is clear.
I know there are volunteer firemen, Redpeach. But there is no law requiring ALL of them to be volunteers. So why are all these "get the government off our backs" conservatives demanding that the government restrict the activities of voter registration workers, or demanding that they all work for free?
from the internet search engine I got the info that ACORN used the name Mickey Mouse to defraud. My question pertained to the google info. And I hope that my question was not as rude as the answer. I get it now.
The media(above the fold ,front page in the Bee) gives Joe the plumber a colonoscopy in less than twenty four hours but does not dig into Obama's past or who is responsible for the failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.We know evrything there is about Governor Palin but little about Rev.Wright,Bill Ayers,his wife,Franklin Raines,Jim Johnson,Acorn and their associations with Obama.We are being fed a load of crap by the dominant leftist media that we are overreacting.They will attempt to destroy those they fear(Palin and the plumber) and ignore the truth about Obama and the scum he runs with.If your willing to lie yourself then I guess Obama is your man.
A bit of hyperbole there, Brian. The media has been questioning Obama's connections for months now, although it will never be enough for you. "Joe the Plumber" will be forgotten by this time next week.
The 'Help America Vote Act' clearly has not helped America's confidence in the process, however, the companies that make voting machines have profited handsomely. This sudden, selective interest (hysteria,)in voter(registration)fraud betrays their real fear; that every vote is counted. If voting was as sacrosanct as the talking heads gush, they might consider allowing a full week for us to vote, as is done in other countries to accommodate the voters' work schedules...what's the rush?...why the pandemonium of a one-day media event featuring breathless pundits and their lavish sets, on the brink of a psycotic break?...Thanks for the history lesson Scot.
I think you're right about the GOP's real fear being that all these new voters will actually vote, Swift. In fact, Fran B. basically stated as much in her complaint that people who don't pay as much in taxes (i.e. poor people - "takers" in her words) will outvote those who pay more (because they have more).
The Republicans can't have the poll tax anymore, so they try to restrict the numbers of new poor and minority voters any way they can.
Mike D
So asking any voter to just follow the law of one person, one vote with legitimate id such as drivers license or SS# is "preventing" them from voting?
I'll try that the next time a cop stops me for speeding. "Mr. Policeman, you're preventing from getting to my destination as the speed I want to go. That's not fair. I don't have to follow your law"
"So asking any voter to just follow the law of one person, one vote with legitimate id such as drivers license or SS# is "preventing" them from voting?"
That's only a small part of it, Ms. B. But a group of nuns were prevented from voting in the Iowa primary this year because they didn't have satisfactory ID. Some older voters are caught in a "catch-22" situation with regards to ID - they don't have satisfactory ID, and they can't get it because they don't have it.
But that's not all the GOP is doing. There have been massive voter purges, attempts at voter intimidation, attempts to prevent students and troops from voting, and now this concerted attack on ACORN to try to stymie its efforts to register more voters. There have even been incidents of vandalism against ACORN offices, and death threats against ACORN employees since the GOP singled them out.
I say if they don't want to vote and provide id then they void their right to vote. Its is the price you pay for not wanting to follow the law.
Thanks swift for actually reading my post above. I know...it's long but it's very relevant to the discussion and clears a lot of things up. Jackie would do well to read it because she's going on supposition rather than learning the facts for herself. I don't mean that in a derogatory way Jackie, it's just that you're always implying there are no facts even after they've just been presented to you, or they are there to find if you just click and read. And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to change your vote. I respect your choices.
As my post above describes, right now the republicans aren't necessarily doing anything illegal as the law goes, (that we know of) but they are doing things very unethical within the law. I know a lot of you didn't read all of that above, but you should. You would learn something.
Scot I have read your post and agree that there are crooked dirt bags on both sides. I hate politics because I think the should be in office for the better of our country and the people but they are mostly in it for themselves. Selfish lying b------s.
It is so discouraging to be be made short thrift of for doing proper research
and posting authentic info.
In my many years of living and community activism, I have not been insulted and attacked as in the few weeks during which I have participated in the beehive.
The late Roger Tatarian, the Clovis City Government,Lisa Maria Boyles; the readers of my Community columns in The Clovis Independent et.al. did not think that I was
"...over-inflated ego, and eloguant BS,..." (redpeach)
I don't even know what that is. I am not feeling sorry formyself, but it is like being touched by something unsavory. So I guess that the ACORN affair shall be unraveled without any additional two cents worth from me.
Mike, your knee-jerk defense of ACORN just makes you look silly. You can recite all the same talking points as Alan Colmes all you want but you can't change the pure facts: ACORN is an institutional poverty pimp, and it's the only private employer Barack has ever worked for in his life outside of college, and as a legislator as well as chair of a board alongside William Ayers he directed both taxpayer dollars and philanthropic dollars to fund their organization. Deal with it, get over it, change the subject to something more convenient if you wish, but don't embarrass yourself by defending them. Unlike you, some of us actually have firsthand experience with ACORN and don't need to rely on NBC, Google, or the Obama campaign for info.
Mike D.
I was just making a notation for the record, about the volunteer fireman.
And there was only one post regarding not allowing pay for voter registration, and it was by Fran B., whom I am unfamiliar with. How do you deduct it was from a, as you put it, "'get the government off our backs' conservatives demanding that the government restrict the activities of voter registration workers, or demanding that they all work for free?"?
Scot...we are to take NYU,the American Prospect and Brian Williams as proof of Republican wrong doing in regards to voter suppression.That would be like believing the Fresno Bee is unbiased.Give us something we can take seriously.
FRAUDULENT ELECTIONS are nothing new in US history. Tammany Hall did it in New York; Lyndon Johnson did it in Texas. John F Kennedy's father Joe paid for it to be done in Chicago. And multiple ways have been used to achieve the same end: repeat voting; false registration; or the more systematic version used in some Republican districts, where the poor have been disenfranchised because so few voting machines have been supplied, and those that are, sometimes do not work.
Tony, have you always been such a master of unintentional irony? You accuse me of reciting "talking points" as opposed to your "pure facts," then proceed to channel right wing websites (hint: "poverty pimp" is a characterization, not a fact, "pure" or otherwise).
Whether you like what ACORN does, or Obama's role in the organizaton is neither here nor there as to the allegations of voter fraud. The facts are as I stated them. There is a crucial distinction between registration fraud and voter fraud. Turning in a voter registration form in the name of "Mickey Mouse" is registration fraud. But it's not voter fraud unless someone shows up on election day and tries to vote as "Mickey Mouse."
It is also a fact that voter suppression, mostly legal but highly unethical (as Scot outlined above) is far more widespread than actual documented cases of voter fraud.
So now who looks silly?
Scot
Anyone can make any claim they want, but there was and never will be any charges brought on anyone regarding the accusations you make in the post October 16, 2008 7:45 PM. Why? Because there is no evidence that any of this happened. Your claims are fabricated spin.
However, it is a matter of record that ACORN has been busted repeatedly for voter fraud, over the passed 30 years..
If Republicans had done anything like this, we were never hear the end of it. Hypocrocy abounds amount leftist militants like many on this blog, who are attempting to justify stealing the Presidential election with voter fraud. You give lip service to believing in WE THE PEOPLE, but nothing could be further from the truth.
If you now know of Obama's seedy relationship with ACORN, you know he is cheating to win. Remember how things went when Nixon cheated to get elected?
How could anyone with a conscience knowingly give their vote to a criminal like Obama. And this is just one of the many red flags hanging from this dirtbag's tree.
What's the point Red? No sense in me trying to convince you when you sit there rocking back and forth with your hands tight over your ears and spewing Rushisms.
There have already been numerous lawsuits filed by the state Republican Parties challenging thousands of newly registered voters, most of whom are Democrats. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled yesterday against a GOP lawsuit trying to disqualify 200,000 new voters in Ohio whose voter registration data does not agree with other state data bases (like the examples above). In a Montana case, a federal judge ruled that the Republicans had filed the case "with the express intent to disenfranchise voters." In some cases it is the Democrats going to court to prevent a (usually Republican) secretary of state from purging eligible voters. In other words, attempting to disenfranchise voters has become just another campaign tactic. It is virtually always the Republicans trying to purge (new) voters because the new voters are so heavily weighted towards the Democrats. If they can eliminate 100,000 voters, they will probably get rid of 80,000 Democrats and 20,000 Republicans, which is clearly worth the effort.
Another source of controversy is a group called ACORN that is registering voters. John McCain said in the third debate that its fraudulent registration practices threatens our very democracy. It is indeed likely that some ACORN workers have registered nonexistent voters--because the registrars are paid for each voter registered. However, voter registration fraud is not voter fraud since the fictitious voter won't show up to vote because he doesn't exist. The Republican governor of Florida, Charlie Crist, has said that ACORN is not really a problem.
Voters duped into switching to Republican
Actions to block voters
"check-off box" delays thousands of registrations
Fraud vs. suppression
Ahh what's the point...just keep sitting there rocking back and forth...but don't blame ACORN if Obama wins, you'll look stupid.
I've noticed no one on the right can prove any truth to their arguments. And Factcheck.org has pretty much shattered all of the right's arguments that they just can't seem to let go of, and they do the research themselves.
You guys need to give me a reason why you like McCain. He's not religious, he's sold his soul and his dignity to appeal to those republicans like you guys who never did like him. He's a gambler, literally, and he's shown that he's willing to roll the dice on his campaign. We don't need to review the gambles that didn't pay off. One of which was that he gave in to a few of his people who persuaded him to pick Sarah on a shoestring's notice, and now a lot of party leaders think he should dump her, and that it was irresponsible to pick her. He's erratic, a hothead and wants to continue many of Bush's ideas. When he stands there and grins and lies (and you know he's lying) he reminds me of Bush. Why are you guys voting for him again?
Scot,
Let them remain as sceptics, it fills the void of being rational.
Typical leftists reactionism. Rather that respond to my post, you resort to personal insults. You do not even quote sources, but you and your big ego imagine that we should all bow down and believe your every word. Hears a news flash, I don't believe a single word you write.
Redpeach, you are probably the last person on this blog who should be complaining about "personal insults."
By the way, Redpeach, you claim it is "a matter of record that ACORN has been busted repeatedly for voter fraud, over the passed 30 years."
Can you cite one example of voter fraud that ACORN has been "busted for"? Not registration fraud, but actual voter fraud.
Just one?
You can't possibly be talking to me there Red, I've given you nothing but sources and facts that these various sources have uncovered.
Ok, the rocking back and forth thing may have been a little mean. I'll retract, but it still amazes me that no matter what anyone tells you it's as if you just don't hear it. And I'm not talking about people in here, I'm talking about reliable nonpartisan sources that dispel the slanderous diatribe that you insist on believing. When I see that I just can't help but visualize one of those kids with his hands over his ears yelling so he won't hear the bad things.
Like I said before, what's the point? Why do we continue to do this?
Barbara Walters said it best when she said, and I'm paraphrasing...We have four honorable Americans who would love to fix this country. What this election has done is pit Americans against Americans in a way that's deplorable. I can't wait for this election to be over with.
Scot and Walters are in an obvious delemna, they can't wait for the election to be over but neither stop supporting the Obama campaign at every possible opportunity.
You're right Bart, I just can't seem to stop. One more reason why I'd
like it to be over.
By the way, I think McCain has found a way to win West Virginia. Read
about it here.
Ah, Dodson. You forget that I have the firsthand personal experience working with ACORN to be able to characterize them, as poverty pimps or otherwise. If you ever make the time to acquire similarly direct experience of your own, your criticisms might carry more weight.
I do appreciate though that you've taken the advice to move on, from defending ACORN to splitting legal hairs about the semantics of 'voter fraud' vs. 'registration fraud.'
Scot made a (rare, for him/her) good point to note that regardless of ACORN's despicable history, they will not be the cause if Obama wins the election.
P.S. I don't read 'right wing' websites, and wouldn't even know any of their names or where to find them. The only blogs I frequent are both openly liberal (the Beehive is one of them). And although I do subscribe to the ultra-liberal Huffington Post, I admit it almost always goes straight to my spam folder, unread.
You really think the distinction between "registration fraud" and "voter fraud" is "splitting hairs" or "semantics"? There's proably not much point attempting to reason with you, then. (I just hope you never get picked for jury duty - wouldn't want a juror who dismisses jury instructions as so much "semantics".)
Mike
Registration fraud is the collective bridge to voter fraud. It is organized crime and borders on treason.
You know that and the rest of us know that.
So you think one crime should be punished as a "bridge" to another crime, whether or not the other crime was committed? And you just punish everyone in sight, whether they are culpable or not?
And do you even know the definition of the word "treason"?
Actually, Bart's post is a good example of why it's not just "semantics" to consider the definitions of particular crimes. The alternative is just making it up as you go along, as Bart does in his post.
It's all good Mike.
I can see that you have a hard time with this. Just think about why the term registered voter is used.
If the registration process is corrupted then the vote is dirty.
That you find a defence for this practice tells me you really are not concerned about the definition of anything, legal or otherwise.
You want to make complex a simple value most of us learned in kindergarten...the importance of honesty, even when no one is looking.
Obama takes in $150 million in September...will our future socialist leader spread his wealth around with those behind him? Of corse not(Not even with the rest of his socialist buddies aka.DNC). He just wants to take YOURS and spread it around.
Bart, let me know when you've figured out what "treason" means, then I'll get back to you.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/05/obamas-donation-website-accepts-illegal.html
Treason has long borders. I wonder if Obama's undisclosed foreign contributors are all conspiring in America's best interest. My guess is not.
Yup, Bart's right! I just visited both candidates' websites.
McCain's website doesn't allow overseas options for donations--except for U.S. territories and Armed Forces locations overseas.
Obama solicits donations from Iran, UAE, Yemen and other non-U.S. areas. How many Americans are in Iran right now, anyway? But hey, all you have to do is check off the boxes saying that you are, in fact, telling the truth. We can trust those international donors, right?
Here's how I would sum up Obama's change to American politics:
"Redistribution of the wealth" (the rally cry of socialism from earlier times), ACORN, William Ayers, 20 years of indoctrination from a pastor who hates America, associates/contributors who abused FannieMay & FreddieMac funds, medical care price gouging of the less fortunate, a wife who was never proud of being American until a few months ago, and now funding from foreign nationals who hate us (like Iran).
Gee, that's who I want leading our country.
So McCain doesn't accept donations from American citizens living overseas, but he solicits a donation from the Russian ambassador?
And if you think a progressive income tax is "socialism," then you must think Teddy Roosevelt was a socialist.
Mike
Do you think that it is a good thing that election officials must waste tax dollars investigating the kind of misrepresentation on registration forms that are linked to ACORN? Yes or No, with an explanation please.
Teddy Roosevelt was, Mike. In a lot of ways. That's doesn't make the concept any better of an idea now.
Income tax in general is asinine. Then again, you've showed many times that economics is not your strong suit.
You guys never cease to amaze me. What a load of crap. I went to Obama's website and no where do I see an option for what country you live in.
Here it is.
And here is what factcheck.org had to say about the bogus article that started all this crap.
Anyone have proof of your claims? I'll bet not. You never do. The link Bart put up can hardly be deemed credible and unbiased. I can photoshop an image over an image and post it too.
Bart,
It’s never a good thing that people take advantage of the system, requiring the government to expend money to investigate their actions. But unless and until humanity reaches a state of perfection, that’s always going to happen. So sometimes we have to choose the lesser of two evils. It’s too bad that some people turn in fake registration forms for a few bucks. But sometimes that’s the price to pay to ensure greater citizen participation in our democracy (although some of you don’t seem to think greater participation is a good thing).
It’s too bad that ACORN has to turn in even obviously-fraudulent registration forms, but that’s the price to pay to avoid the sort of voter suppression efforts like those the Republicans did in the Nixon era – when party operatives would go into minority areas and have people fill out registration forms which they promised to turn in, but never did. So now organizations like ACORN are generally required to turn in all the forms they receive, even if they suspect they are fake.
It’s also too bad that we have to waste so much time debating a non-issue like this, but that’s the price to pay for participating in this blog, I suppose.
Tony,
Seeing that its coming from someone who thinks the Wall Street crisis is just a minor "liquidity" issue, I'll take your criticism for what it's worth.
For anyone interested:
Valley Public Radio 89.3 FM
Thursday Oct 23
NPR's Talk of the Nation 11:00 am
Discussion - Republicans accusing Democrats of voter registration fraud vs. Democrats accusing Republicans of voter suppression.
Hi Mike
It wasn't a criticism, just an observation.
You're right, there was a national liquidity issue but it wasn't minor and it wasn't the only problem: there's also the unfounded media-driven hysteria about the financial markets; a gargantuan, worthless yet unconscionably expensive government bailout bill; shameless pandering by the same politicians who juked the housing and mortgage markets with their idiotic interventions; and the gullibility of citizens, reporters, and editors who love to opine about things they heard on TV but don't understand.
Mike D.
Are you actually claiming that there is no connection between fraudulent voter registration , and voter fraud? Since we do not require ID at the polls, the loophole to commit fraud is wide open.
The Republicans have fought for requiring ID before voting. Dems have fought it. Give Republicans a majority, and we have a chance of seeing it happen. The Dems always fight any type of proof of ID, because they are cheating. If you took a poll how many Americans would vote to pay more taxes to pay for the proof of identity at the polls, it would be a vast majority.
Whoops.
"According to The Los Angeles Times, Jacoby's firm was paid $7 to $12 by the CRP for each GOP voter registration signature, but dozens of voters who signed on said they were duped into registering as Republicans and thought they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters."
The idea was appealing, so in order to support it they were duped onto registering for the only party that would support those penalties. Do you want to be a democrat or do you want to take child molesters off the street?
That is a completely different set of circumstances that the acorn cases.
And we know it.
Redpeach, instead of just speculating that ACORN is attempting to commit voter fraud, why not just check out the facts. Like I said, this is just much ado about nothing.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/acorn_accusations.html