I got a note this morning from Clint Brewer, president of Sigma Delta Chi, the organization representing professional journalists. The leaders are meeting in Atlanta right now, and their first order of business was protesting the arrests of journalists at the two political conventions -- in America. One of those arrested was Amy Goodman, photo right, whose columns appear occasionally on The Bee's op-ed page.
If this were Beijing, we'd expect cops to arrest journalists trying to report the news they didn't want people to know about. But in Denver and St. Paul? It's ridiculous.
Here is SPJ's report on what's happening to the news people:
ATLANTA - Leaders of the Society of Professional Journalists, currently meeting in Atlanta for the annual SPJ Convention and National Journalism Conference, are expressing outrage over recent arrests of journalists at both the Republican and Democratic National Conventions.
SPJ, which represents journalists in all types of media outlets, is especially concerned that police in Denver and St. Paul have displayed aggressive tactics that interfere with the free flow of information and the constitutional guarantee of a free press. Additionally, what may have been viewed as an isolated incident in Denver last week has spilled over to St. Paul. SPJ firmly believes that both incidents represent an unacceptable infringement of the rights of journalists and, ultimately, a disservice to the public.
"There is a distinct and important difference between law enforcement officers keeping order and arbitrarily exercising police power," said SPJ President Clint Brewer. "It's clear that in both Denver and St. Paul, the journalists who were arrested were fulfilling their professional obligation to report objectively and fairly. As an organization that advocates on behalf of the journalism profession, we can't sit idly by while members of our industry are treated unfairly."
Last week, ABC News producer Asa Eslocker was arrested in Denver as he and a film crew were preparing an investigative piece on the role of lobbyists at the DNC.
This week, the arrests of journalists continued in St. Paul as three people with the independent news program "Democracy Now!" were arrested while covering the story of protests at the RNC. One of those arrested was the show's host, Amy Goodman, who ran to the scene after receiving a phone call that two of her producers, Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Nicole Salazar, were under arrest. A now popular video on YouTube shows Goodman's arrest. The video suggests that Goodman was acting as a journalist seeking information about her producers, not as a protestor. Matt Rourke, an Associated Press photographer, was also arrested in the same incident.
While SPJ is disturbed that the police have blurred the line between protestors and journalists covering such protests, it is not condemning the actions of police to maintain public safety when demonstrations become violent.
"Police have a duty to protect and serve the public. So, too, do journalists serve the public interest," said Brewer. "SPJ doesn't object to the police stopping violence. Rather, we are merely alarmed by the disconcerting trend of journalists being treated as if they are a threat to public safety, when they are clearly fulfilling their roles as professional reporters."
Founded in 1909 as Sigma Delta Chi, the Society of Professional Journalists promotes the free flow of information vital to a well-informed citizenry; works to inspire and educate the next generation of journalists; and protects First Amendment guarantees of freedom of speech and press. For further information about SPJ, please visit www.spj.org.
Ms. Goodman obviously blurred the distiction between being disorderly and being part of the problem.
Bart the only thing that is "blurred" is your understanding of what happend.
More on news on youtube, Amy Goodman interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0Qqea6iQhA
if at all possible, please get a better picture of Goddman. We humans are visual creatures and react subjectively. Thank you
I’m thinking Amy Goodman is wrong. You don’t go into the field where police are trying to bring a situation under control and try and talk to them about someone whom they arrested. You go down to the station and speak to an officer behind a desk. When police are handling a volatile situation they don’t have time to chat and hear your opinion. They are trying to maintain order and not get stoned, shot, beaten, etc. in the process. They have to make sure the candidates, all with targets on their backs, don’t get assassinated. I watched the Youtube video; she was in the way. When they say step back do it. Ms. Goodman’s interview was “a couple of hours” after she was arrested. That’s pretty quick to be processed and released. She is acting like a prima dona. Her statement “we are the only profession protected by the Constitution” ticked me off. Let’s take a look Ms. Goodman… it says, “Congress shall make no law … prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; .. or the right of the people … to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” It doesn’t say you can go where you want and do what you want, when you want to do it. Being a reporter does not give you super-citizen powers. The way the press/media behaves these days and the garbage they call news you’re lucky you weren’t tarred and feathered for being a reporter. I don’t care if Brittany Spear doesn’t wear underwear. You go girl!
Isabell, her face was smashed by an m16 rifle-butt as she attempted to cover the East Timor genocide during the Ford administration, shame on your moronic shallowness.
If she was in the way of officers trying to do their jobs safely then she deserved to be taken in. It is just as much for her protection as everyone elses.
Kim I think your flying off the handle.
I believe the violence committed was against the citizens not the police.
She does have the right to speak to their superior, and not get arrested for it.
The citizens have rights as well as the candidates what about the safety of the people on the street?
Sounds like the reporters/producer as was falsly arrested just like the RNC convention in New York.
Kim if you call Amy Goodman's independent news garbage, you are gravely ill informed.
Calm down swift.
I'm sure that Amy is going to be just fine, I don't think there are any former East Timor soldiers on that police force.
Don't worry, if she doesn't want to eat the poisonous bologna sandwich they serve in her jail, someone will always volunteer to eat it for her if she so wishes.
Seems like she has learned from the experience though, much safer front at the Republican convention.
Good for her!(no pun intended)
I did not know about being attacked. I only saw nice photos, including in the Fresno Bee.
And "swift" I pray you to refrain from calling me names. I have enough of it. BASTA!
And if you don't see the psychological advantage in my request, that is your loss not mine. I am a professional, and I have always conducted myself as such.
It is outrageous and dangerous that three journalists were arrested and charged falsely by a Republican sheriff merely for not being Republican. The majority of people who are either Democratic, Libertarian, Independent, and Green have to ask ourselves whether it is safe to travel to Minnesota, or if we may be arrested too for not being Republicans.
Guys, she was arrested because the officer asked her to step back behind the line and she kept moving forward. Why does it have to be a poor me Republican issue? You are correct Rich, I have not seen Amy Goodman's news but I saw her arrogance during her interview. You act like the public was just walking around minding their own business; that was not the case. The situation was such that the citizens were the ones posing the threat. I am no where close to being a cop and yet I see the dangers inherent in taking your eyes off the crowd to chat with someone who has an "issue". That is was the station house if for! Cops get lied to every minute of the day. When they start falling for it they start dying. Just because she had a pretty badge and said she was a good guy means nothing. Shall I point out again that she was out of jail within hours once she was off the street? She wouldn't have been there at all if she'd stayed in the convention in the first place. It is quite likely the two producers that got arrested before her were also not following instructions either. Folks that can't see this basic premise will be the first one to scream if a bad guy does get through or if they can't control the crowd and someone does get trampled or gets through and hurts someone in the convention. You can't have it both ways. People should get a bit more of a spine and stop whining.
I've seen you use three interesting words Isabell: Jawohl which is German; Mensch which is also German; and Basta which is Italian. I have yet to figure you out.
sorry, i was channeling our friends on the dark-side... The question before us; Do journalists have rights? Free speech? Constitutional guarantees?The answer is pretty clear... Amy Goodman has been kicked out of every Presidential press corps since Nixon, her informed questions are not allowed; she's impertinant. You're quite right Kim, safety is paramount and whining does no good in the new America, you might say, 'resistance is futile.' Have you studied facsism in school? What distinguishes us?
I was not there, and I don't believe everything that is being reported. But
to impede the free press is at best a slippery slope. The history of the twentieth
century has proven that over and over again. Maybe in her interview she came
across as "arrogant" but I rather have that, than a state-controlled press. I
can't fathom as to why the people here think that they are immune to conditions
that occur everywhere else. I have been around, and I know that Americans
are not smarter than the Germans, Russians, Italians, Spaniards and the people
from other industrialized European countries. That one reporter is being detained
by the police scares me less than some of the posts in this blog.
"Amy Goodman has been kicked out of every Presidential press corps since Nixon..."
That includes Carter and Clinton. Those who blame Republican conspiracies for Amy's arrest should stop whining.
It should be noted that the unruly crowds were practicing civil disobedience, the MO of radically liberal organizations such as EarthFirst! Left unchecked, the situation could have become a full blown, deadly riot. If Ms. Goodman could not recognize the situation, maybe she's not the observant journalist she is given so much credit for being...
"...Governments show thus how successfully men can be imposed on, even impose on themselves, for their own advantage. It is excellent, we must allow. Yet this government never of itself furthered any enterprise, but by the alacrity with which it got out of its way. It does not keep the country free. It does not settle the West. It does not educate. The character inherent in the American people has done all that has been accomplished, and it would have done somewhat more, if government had not sometimes got in its way...All men recognize the right to refuse allegiance to, and to resist the government when its inefficiency are great and unendurable...(Henry David Thoreau on "Civil Disobedience.")
It was reported at Salon.com that police in the Twin Cities were raiding homes of people *suspected* of planning to protest before the convention started. The police state is well underway, aided and abetted by people who think that it is the obligation of citizens to stay out of the way, and who automatically assume the police actions are justified.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/30/police_raids/
Guys this has nothing to do with freedom of press. Her arrest is on Youtube; you can watch it yourself. The cops asked her to back up and she kept coming forward because she wanted to talk about her associates release. You do that at the station! She can report all she wants, no one is stopping her. She was arrested for not following instructions during a protest that could have potentially turned into a riot. You have to stop thinking in terms of an excuse for standing on a soap box and call it what it was; a dumb move. If the press was so radically suppressed than how did her arrest get on tape? She was out within hours whining about it. Seems like she's got plenty of airtime. Freedom does not mean cops shouldn't do their jobs because someone will be inconvenienced. Freedom does not allow you to put your own personal agenda ahead of public safety. Freedom can not be used irresponsibly. I'm done.
More information on Amy Goodman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqml6XRxrnc
Sorry, I'm not buying it. Even cops have a duty to act lawfully, and to respect the rights of citizens under the Constitution. If they can make your presence in a place unlawful by merely asking you to leave, they'd better have a darn good reason (more than just "getting in the way"). They shouldn't get automatic "passes."
Anyone who would venture close enough to an armed Indonesian solder that they get "formally introduced" needs help. So perhaps the judge in St. Paul may recognize the nature of her problem and finally get her the help she needs. And, if he/she determines that Amy's conduct was the result of a mental disorder, she's home free.
...again I ask; what distinguishes us? If Kim and TC and Bart are so consistantly willing to defend fascism,(in the guise of 'safety' and 'order') now is the time for them to stand up and pledge allegiance to it the way the mainstream media and both parties have.
Bart keep your day job you won't make it as a comedian.
Anyway I think most of you are missing the point.
This is clear intimidation by the police. People will be unwilling to protest knowing that the police will hurt you and throw you in jail for unjustified reason.
What is more disturbing is the lack of compassion and unjustified mockery of the politically partisan.
Do you understand this hurts everyones freedoms?
After seeing this display more peaceful law abiding citizens will refrane from protesting.
There is no doubt we are living in a police state.
What's worse blindly siding with authority, simply because it is the authority.
I'm not blind..TC, Bart are you guys blind? No... I think we were looking at the situation pretty clearly. I'm old enough to have been able to spend time in East Berlin, behind the Berlin wall for a few days. That was enough for me. You need to spend time in a police state before you so flippantly define the Minnesota or anywhere in the U.S. as such.
"swift's" post reminds me when my 5 year old told me with shining eyes that she knew the pledge of "legions." She knew it down to "invisible" under God. I did not correct her. I hugged and kissed her.
True, we're not at the level of Beijing, or even Moscow now. But the time to be concerned about the creeping police-state tendency is when there's still enough freedom to do something about it.
Kim, you seem to have the most rational answer on the surface. It's not a good idea to mess with the police while they are in a stressful situation trying to keep order, plain and simple.
I'd have to investigate more on just what exactly the situation was though because it's hard to tell.
No we are not at the level of Moscow. I only know what I read and hear about
Beijing. But we are very close to Austria. Germany and Italy 1933/34.
What was allowed to take over by sheer inactivity and and misguided appeasement
between then and 1945 is recorded in the annals of history.
And a few days behind the Berlin Wall is tourist stuff, any way we slice it.
I am beginning to think that it's no use blogging, talking, writing etc. etc..
It's true that none are deafer who have ears and will not hear, and none are
blinder who have eyes but will not see.
I was fortunate to have enjoyed Americas Golden Age from 1945 to Ronald Reagan.
I saw a Europe rise from her ashes like the legendary Phoenix. And if Americans
want to relinquish their people power....well... chacun a son gout !*
[French: *each to their own taste.]
Kim, behind the Berlin wall for a few days gives you a taste of a police state?
Go to an RNC convention on the street and report back.
Just because you can't see does not mean you're "blind" just unwilling to understand may be more accurate.
But those are all troublemakers, Rich. They probably deserve to get arrested. If they weren't doing something wrong, they were probably thinking of it. As long as the cops leave us decent, respectable, obedient, normal-looking Americans alone, everything is hunky-dory.
My only conclusion is we are not looking at the same video.
You two make my point. I was with a government contingent so I was being treated extremely well. Being there for a few days was enough to show me what others were doing without and gave me a clear idea we have it pretty good here. I couldn't imagine living in a police state and you are so used to living with your freedoms you are taking them for granted.
I've had some time to think about how to illustrate what I'm trying to say. Here goes: I killed a fly on my counter. I've done it before, therefore I am a vicious serial killer bent on killing. A couple of reporters were arrested, therefore the United States has repealed freedom of speech/press and they like it so much we will soon be living under military rule. My final decision? I agree to disagree with y'all. A freedom gifted to me by our Constitution and our military (past, present and future) and protected daily by our police. It's been fun jawing with ya though.
Kim,
Leaving our freedoms to be protected by the military and police alone (as it seems you suggest) is a scary thought.
How about freedoms protected by the people, how about the freedoms protected by the judiciary, especially the freedoms protected by the press?
Just because someone carrys a gun does not give them ultimate authority to protect us, or the constitution. Others (as mentioned above) in our Country can and do protect our constitution every day.
I might add that some of our freedoms are expressly granted to protect us FROM the military or the police. Not to say they are necessarily bad, but the Founders were well aware of the potential for abuse of power by those entrusted with it.
O.K. I apologize for not thanking everyone personally for all of my freedoms. Yes, Mike I agree with you wholeheartedly. Yes, Rich I am aware not all come from those I listed. I was blogging not writing a thesis on freedom. I spoke of police because the article discusses the police. But back to the issue, do you believe that because a couple of reporters got arrested we are on the verge of military police state? Or are you picking at me because I am irritating enough not to agree with the other bloggers who seem to. The video Ms. Goodman's cameraman put on youtube is evidence she was in the wrong. The source is her own people so she can't claim the video was skewed against her. Rich, rest assured I am not that scary. I'm only bugging you folks because after only one day of work the doc ordered me back to bed rest. I'll try and read a book and give ya'll a rest from me.
The idea that police and military should be the guardian of freedom is an
oxymoron, because once that prevails in any given regime, there is no more
liberty, as we understand it from the United States Constitution, carefully
drafted and unanimously ratified by the 13 existing States.
But that is not when and where the illogic stops. The same minds that do
not hesitate to have the right to peaceful assembly curtailed by police and
military force right here in America, are the same minds who decry such
condition in other countries.
The United States even went to war, and precious young American blood drenched
the soil of Europe, fighting those very conditions so heatedly defended by a
generation later. Killing flies?
And please spare this blog the Holocaust mantra. Then, nobody of the general
population knew about it. Only a handful of Diplomats in the Swiss Republic
and Victor Gollanz, founder of the Left Book Club in 1936, which one year later
had over 50.000 members in Great Britain. In 1943 he wrote that 4 million Jews had
been killed. But the Allied nations still kept it out of the press. By the way, the
extermination camps were the best kept secrets. Not even the underground French Radio had knowledge of it. If the US Congress had been informed prior to 1945 of the killing of millions is still a puzzling question to many historians.
And rest assured, I shall not upon popular demand swallow hemlock for posting the
truth. And to the guy who calls himself a dog, the Romans have left us, for this situation, a very applicable proverb: I will not post the Latin version for I have been criticized for using language other than English.... Here it is..."What does it bother the moon when the dogs bark at him."
Adieu! Asta la vista! Auf Wiedersehen! By by! Ciao! To my so respectful male carnivores. I am sure that Kim will taste delicious. hahaha! My daughter told me the computer language for it. But I forgot it. I too had fun.
Kim asked "Do you believe that because a couple of reporters got arrested we are on the verge of military police state?"
No it's not just about a couple of reporters. To be correct it was a couple of producers and a reporter. This also tells me you were not paying attention to the issue.
Also others as well as Goodman and the two producers were arrested. I can not speak on behalf of the others arrested (I was not there) but as Goodman stated this can be looked at as intimidation on behalf of others who would like to protest peacefully in the future.
I would not feel compfortable knowing that I can possibly be arrested even though I protest peacefully. It is not good for our country if we are made to feel intimidated by police by an arrest without probable cause which Goodman suggests.
Goodman stated that the two producers were arrested without provocating an arrest.
You may think that is fine and side with the police, thats your right.
I find that it does go against our constitution i.e. freedom of expression, right to assemble, freedom of press, etc...
O.K. Lets get the facts straight here. The downtown area where Goodman was arrested was the stage of mostly peaceful protests of approximately 5,000 upwards to 10,000 people at times over two days. Within this group of protesters were a group who call themselves the Anarchists. They were splintering into small groups and tearing up the downtown area; damaging property, breaking windows, rioting. Two hundred and eighty people were arrested the first day and I think they said 130 the second day. The cops were trying to keep the peaceful protesters from getting hurt by those rioting for the fun of it. So Goodman shows up in front of a line of cops in riot gear who have spent the day trying to keep the peace and she has a bone to pick with them. Goodman claims in her own words, she “walked up to the line and was immediately arrested.” And yet her own cameraman caught her on tape approaching the line demanding to speak to their supervisor about why her crew got arrested. They asked her to stay behind the line. She refused and kept walking through the line. They told her to get to the sidewalk, she ignored that and tried to walk around the cops blocking her way. At that point she was arrested. So in her interview she LIED. Her own tape proves it. What is more interesting is had she stopped talking long enough to listen, the cop in the background had just commanded that the accredited journalists be released. She claims in her interview she was arrested because the police were trying to stop the press from reporting. Bull tooky! I have not commented on the other producers that were arrested at all. I have commented on Goodman because I can view her arrest tape. It is interesting however, that her cameraman who taped Goodman’s arrest didn’t get arrested but then he followed the rules and stayed on the sidewalk. Hmm what stupid cops, if they were trying to stop the press from reporting they should have nabbed him first.
My blog only said the cops were doing their job based on Goodman’s own video. The other bloggers came up with outlandish claims that Goodman was falsely arrested; arrested because they were Republican; that the Constitution right of free speech is in danger; I’m a fascist; we are approaching a police state; good people will be afraid to protest; and something about the Hollocaust that I still don’t get. Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Ten thousand protestors and over two days, approximately 300 are arrested; most rioters from the Anarchists group and you people are telling me the cops are wrong and Goodman, who caught herself in a lie by her own tape is Venus rising from the ocean of oppression. I don’t know what drugs you people are on but this whole thread has been disgusting. Go stand in a group of 10,000 peaceful protestors and Anarchists with no cops and I guarantee some of those peaceful protestors will end up dead. Aren’t they lucky that all that happened was a few people in the press, who got in the way, were inconvenienced? Where did I get all of this information? From the press; the ones that were smart enough to follow directions! And you people are claiming I'm nuts!!!
I never said you were a "facist" or "nuts" maybe someone else.
It is obvious by now that you have different filters on good or bad and try to justify yourself as anyone else.
You may interpt the facts the same but your conclusions obviously different.
I really dont care of other groups in the protest if someone does wrong they should be arrested.
You failed to understand that Goodman was there because the other two producers who she works with were arrested. She did not just go there as you state "... to pick with them". The situation could be averted if they directed her to the person to contact.
The cops did not have to nab the camera man to have an affect on other reporters or the camera man himself. It can be seen as intimidation to other reporters and protesters (as I stated before).
The constitution is in danger when innocent people are arrested, even on or two without reason. The two producers who were arrested were so without reason.
It is more disturbing that you minimise this event by stating they were "inconvenienced" they were thrown to the ground, bloodied, handcuffed and arrested, not to mention they will have a record or the arrest, all this happened without cause. those were the two producers whom Goodman was trying to reach.
The 2004 New York RNC convention was worse, hundreds of innocent people were arrested en mass this was a proven fact.
Textbook Republican jargon trying to make logic into thinking the cops will save us from Anarcists killing us in a protest therefore we should accept the few innocent who do get arrested?
Rich..I have never commented on the producers that were arrested. I have not seen their arrests. Have you seen their arrest that you can make the statement that it was without cause? I submit you have no idea why they were arrested you are going on the word of Goodman. However, Goodman lied about her arrest and her tape proves it. Hhmmm. Repeatedly the bloggers will not respond to that fact. Could it be I'm right? The cops are making snap decisions in the field of 10,000 protesters. Yes sometimes innocent people get arrested by accident darlin' that is why we have police stations and courts to review the arrests in a calmer situation not requiring riot gear. Lest you forget, Goodman was out within a couple of hours. Her arrest likely did not make it on her record. Her video shows that many were released on the spot. Maybe the cops should have asked those rioting to wait for a minute so they could chat with everyone individually to make sure they were innocent. Heck if they did that we wouldn't need a station house or courts. Think of the savings! To not understand the cops actions that are quite clear in Goodman's video shows the bloggers here are naive. And Rich since when did common sense qualify as "Republican jargon"? I'm a Democrat.
Scot has been the only blogger who has responded like an intelligent individual he said, "I'd have to investigate more on just what exactly the situation was though..." Something the rest of you should do before you make these grandiose claims. I was so impressed with Scots comment I think I'm sweet on him! Kidding....
Rich,
You didn't call Kim fascist; Swift implied so on Sep 4th, by naming some conservative bloggers as "defend[ing] fascism."
Kim,
Your statement of facts from the video is great. Anarchists and other civil disobedient groups protest violently at conservative and Republican events, not ususally at liberal or Democratic events. However, I do recall a somewhat recent liberal parade in Portland where violence erupted at the hands of a civil disobedient group, but the liberal protesters did nothing to intervene. A cop was assualted, flags were burned/urinated/defecated upon, and effigies of U.S. soldiers were burned. Y'gotta love that freedom of speech thing...
I'll wait for her book. I've been working on a title for her...
Bologna: A fresh look at a tool of oppression.
No Rich did not call me a fascist. I never said he did. Now Matt darlin' lets take a look at your blog. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Do you think Democrats have something to do with who protests at public events? Maybe the Anarchists are like a subgroup of Democrats? Do they pay membership dues? Is this some kind of conspiracy theory? You say liberal protesters did nothing to intervene with violence in Portland. How could you tell everyone there was a Democrat? Were they all cheering? They probably didn't notice there was violence because all us Democrats burn effigies of U.S. Soldiers in our garages all the time. So what you're saying is in violent situations all Republicans protect those in peril against violence? What... do Republicans wear blue tights with big red Rs emblazoned across the chest? Do they need a phone booth to change before they protect the innocent? I get the impression you are suggesting that Democrats are somehow responsible. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to riot. Are you suggesting I think it does? I've grown tired of people evading the issue. Instead of trying to prove me wrong with facts ya'll are throwing the whole kitchen sink at me hoping something will stick. ... The arrest of Goodman had nothing to do with an effort to curtail the freedom of press.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, Kim...
1. I AGREE with your point that you've made repeatedly about Amy Goodman placing herself in the wrong place at the wrong time; I'm supporting your level-headed responses to others' irrational statements. And I'm helping Rich see that someone DID refer--by implication--to you as a fascist.
2. I'm NOT saying Democrats are responsible for the actions of violent protesters. The idiot protesters go after conservative and Republican events, and don't seem to target Democrat events. Face value statement, there--no ugly implied meanings. The Portland event was an organized, liberal protest, not a Democratic event. I think my misplaced use of "however" led you to think I was bashing Demo's (my bad!).
3. And yes, there was a large crowd who were cheering and encouraging the Portland parade violence.
4. Finally, my post was not about slamming Democrats, but I did intend to slam those who manipulate freedom of speech to justify criminal activity or actions that most of us find offensive.
...Hope that clears up my point.
My sincerest apologies Matt. I misunderstood. I am so used to the sarcasm on this website that I jumped the gun. Thanks for the clarification.
"What... do Republicans wear blue tights with big red Rs emblazoned across the chest? Do they need a phone booth to change before they protect the innocent?" Lady! Those are your words and they look pretty sarcastic to me.
Nomar,
You can't win, she always wants the last word.
She practically thinks everyone is against her and calls her names.
NOMOR - Thank you for calling me a lady. I am. I have been blogging for a couple of weeks and though I not spoken in many of them, you will find sarcasm in almost every article posted here. It gets really thick when redpeach goes after Isabell. That is what I was referring to. And yes, I was being sarcastic. Please to know it came through loud and clear.
Yawn. You can't win because you are wrong. Rich why didn't you say nanner nanner nanner... it would have sounded more grown up. Did I get it? Is this it? Is this the last word?
I cannot help but comment on how appropo "Columnist", in the title, seems to me.
That she went to raise hell in a city whos patron is an early defender of the Christian faith is not lost to me either.