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    <title>The missing blog items from the backpack</title>
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    <id>tag:www.fresnobeehive.com,2008:/lostflights//22.11042</id>

    <published>2008-12-12T16:08:49Z</published>
    <updated>2008-12-12T16:13:16Z</updated>

    <summary><![CDATA[Folks, I just noticed that the blog items from the actual backpack to Mount Mendel are missing. I've gone back and reconstructed them from&nbsp;the ones we published in the newspaper. I lugged a satellite phone on this trip and stood...]]></summary>
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        <name>Mark Grossi</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Folks, I just noticed that the blog items from the actual backpack to Mount Mendel are missing. I've gone back and reconstructed them from&nbsp;the ones we published in the newspaper.</p>
<p>I lugged a satellite phone on this trip and stood out in the freezing wind above 11,000 feet for this. I'm going to let you read them if you wish. </p>
<p>One thing you should know. My Sept. 8 blog items -- the ones right in the middle of the backpack didn't make it into the newspaper. I'm going back to my notes and my memory for that one. </p>
<p>For now, let's start with the first two days, Sept. 6 and part of Sept. 7.<br /><br /><br /><strong>6:07 p.m., Sept. 6, 2008</strong>: We just passed over the edge of Long Valley Caldera. It's a massive hole -- we're talking nearly 20 miles wide -- where the Earth opened up and spewed magma all over the place.<br />The eastern Sierra is a vast volcanic panorama, one of my favorite places. The caldera is a great example. The explosive eruption took place 700,000 years ago. Volcanic ash from the blast has been found as far away as Nebraska.<br /><br />There are bubbling hot tubs hidden in the vast countryside. I've been here when it was 29 degrees outside and snow on the ground, yet there is still steam coming out of the rocks.<br /><br />We're in Bishop now. And we're here for the granite and ice. Mount Mendel couldn't be more than 15 miles west of here. So our thoughts are turning to the plane crash and the missing victims.<br /><br />But for a while, it has been a real pleasure to think about the volcanic past of the eastern Sierra.<br /><br /><strong>6:05 a.m., Sept. 7, 2008</strong>, 42 degrees, at 9,300 feet at North Lake campground -- I skipped the tent, slept out under the stars. So did Mark Crosse. It was a beautiful glittering show overhead all night long. The temperature was still 50 degrees at 3:45 a.m. It didn't feel very cold to me. I imagine it will be a lot colder farther up. We'll make Lamarck Lake today, in a few hours, maybe less. That's good news. But you can't have a fire above 10,400 feet: No firewood.<br /><br /><strong>2 p.m., Sept. 7, 2008</strong>: It's about 2 p.m, and we are at about 11,600 feet.<br /><br />We decided to change directions and follow Peter Stekel and his climbing partner Michele Hinatsu up to Lamarck Col. We were scheduled to stop at Upper Lamarck Lake -- we've continued on. </p>]]>
        
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<entry>
    <title>Seating on an AT-7</title>
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    <id>tag:www.fresnobeehive.com,2008:/lostflights//22.9597</id>

    <published>2008-09-17T21:05:30Z</published>
    <updated>2008-09-19T00:16:11Z</updated>

    <summary><![CDATA[The&nbsp;seating arrangements on a twin-engine AT-7 might not be quite the way The Bee's diagram depicted them in Wednesday's editions, says a former navigator who trained in AT-7s. Retired Lt. Col. Donald Satterthwait, 85, a Clovis resident who navigated combat...]]></summary>
    <author>
        <name>Mark Grossi</name>
        <uri>http://www.make-mine-muir.blogspot.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="display: inline;"><img alt="beech1.jpg" src="http://www.fresnobeehive.com/lostflights/beech1.jpg" class="mt-image-right" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 20px 20px; float: right;" width="300" height="152" /></span>The&nbsp;seating arrangements on a twin-engine AT-7 might not be quite the way The Bee's diagram depicted them in Wednesday's editions, says a former navigator who trained in AT-7s.
<p>Retired Lt. Col. Donald Satterthwait, 85, a Clovis resident who navigated combat missions in World War II, said the three&nbsp;training navigators&nbsp;had small desks lined up behind the co-pilot's seat. The desks were used to spread out maps and instruments.</p>
<p>The Bee's diagram just showed four seats -- two up front and two behind. We got our background on the&nbsp;Beechcraft AT-7&nbsp;from the<a href="http://www.pimaair.org/aircraft.php"> Pima Air &amp; Space Museum </a>in Tucson, Ariz.</p>
<p>Satterthwait said he trained in Texas. It's possible there were small differences between Texas- and California-based AT-7s.&nbsp;</p>
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<entry>
    <title>Drinking right out of a glacial tarn</title>
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    <id>tag:www.fresnobeehive.com,2008:/lostflights//22.9581</id>

    <published>2008-09-17T17:05:34Z</published>
    <updated>2008-09-17T17:24:58Z</updated>

    <summary><![CDATA[ Photographer Mark Crosse and I returned from the Sierra about a week ago, so&nbsp;I think it's safe now to talk about this: We didn't filter our drinking water for a couple of days. &nbsp; There just didn't seem to...]]></summary>
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        <name>Mark Grossi</name>
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        <![CDATA[<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="903033620-22082008">
<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="DISPLAY: inline"><img class="mt-image-center" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 20px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" height="384" alt="" src="http://www.fresnobeehive.com/lostflights/mendel24.jpg" width="512" /></span>Photographer Mark Crosse and I returned from the Sierra about a week ago, so&nbsp;I think it's safe now to talk about this: We didn't filter our drinking water for a couple of days.</span></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="903033620-22082008">There just didn't seem to be a need when we were in remote and pristine Darwin Canyon, beneath several glaciers. We were drinking melted ice that had been up in those glaciers for centuries. Very few people are up here.</span></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="903033620-22082008">But, understand, I</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span class="903033620-22082008">'ve been writing about filtering Sierra drinking water for 15 years. Here's a typical passage from a 2005 story.</span></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font size="+0"><span class="903033620-22082008">"</span></font>In a mountain range boasting giant sequoias, Half Dome and Mount Whitney,&nbsp;<span class="903033620-22082008">Dr. Robert </span>Derlet&nbsp;confirm<span class="903033620-22082008">s </span>there are bacteria linked to human feces in lakes and streams. There aren't many toilets in the backcountry of the 400-mile-long<span class="903033620-22082008"> </span><span class="903033620-22082008">Sierra."</span></font></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><span class="903033620-22082008">I brought&nbsp;my water filter with me on the trek to Mendel Glacier.&nbsp;I&nbsp;used it when we were around Upper Lamarck Lake and the Lamarck Col. More people, more chances of problems.</span></font></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><span class="903033620-22082008">But Darwin Canyon? Nah. The water was so good. </span></font></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><span class="903033620-22082008">In case fishing enthusiasts are wondering, I didn't see evidence of fish in those glacial tarns. </span></font></font></div>
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    <title>Questions and answers</title>
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    <id>tag:www.fresnobeehive.com,2008:/lostflights//22.9574</id>

    <published>2008-09-16T22:44:14Z</published>
    <updated>2008-09-17T21:55:22Z</updated>

    <summary> Some of you have asked questions about specific crashes and we&apos;re tracking that down as best we can. For those of you worried about the two Marks, they seem to have recovered from their hiking ordeal and those scary...</summary>
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        <name>Cyndee Fontana</name>
        
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<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="DISPLAY: inline"><img class="mt-image-center" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 20px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" height="276" alt="whitney.jpg" src="http://www.fresnobeehive.com/lostflights/whitney.jpg" width="421" /></span>Some of you have asked questions about specific crashes and we're tracking that down as best we can.</p>
<p>For those of you worried about the two Marks, they seem to have recovered from their hiking ordeal and those scary pikas. Mark G. is&nbsp;<span class="649285123-16092008">busy keeping Starbucks in business, one latte at a time.</span></p>
<p><span class="649285123-16092008">N</span>ow, for some of those questions (and comments) ...</p>
<p>George Stillman wondered if we knew the type of shoes that Steve Fossett was wearing when he vanished last year. Seems a&nbsp;friend of George's&nbsp;found a wing-tip brogue shoe in the Ansel Adams Wilderness area and was curious about any&nbsp;possible connection to Fossett's footwear.</p>
<p>From what I could find, reports are that Fossett was casually dressed in T-shirt, sweatpants and tennis shoes when he took off from a small air strip in Nevada, supposedly headed for Bishop on the east side of the Sierra.&nbsp;Sounds like it's not his shoe.</p>
<p>We've gotten a few calls and emails about another legendary crash dubbed the "Gamblers Special" that killed 35 people in 1969.</p>
<p>One came from <span class="994523521-16092008"><font face="Arial" size="2">Pat Dalbec, whose&nbsp;parents, Patrick and Carol Lee, died in the&nbsp;crash at Mount Whitney, elevation 14,497 feet. Dalbec, 40, who is a Fresno police officer, said he was a baby when the accident happened.</font></span></p>
<div><span class="994523521-16092008"><font face="Arial" size="2">He said his parents had won the trip through the Newlywed game, a television game show of the era. He said they were in their 20s.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="994523521-16092008"><font size="2">According to Don Jordan, coauthor of "Aircraft Wrecks in the Mountains and Deserts of California," the Douglas DC-3&nbsp;was chartered to deliver gamblers to Nevada casinos.&nbsp;It was a common practice back then.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="994523521-16092008"><font size="2">It flew out of Burbank. While returning from Nevada on Feb. 18, 1969, the plane crashed after encountering snow, sleet and strong winds, according to a federal accident report.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="994523521-16092008"><font face="Arial" size="2">Dalbec said it took six or seven months to locate the wreck because of all the snow that year.&nbsp;The winter&nbsp;of 1968-1969 was one of the wettest on record in California.&nbsp;The wettest month on record in Fresno was January 1969.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="994523521-16092008"><font size="2">That's true. It was August 1969 before the wreckage was located and bodies were removed.</font></span></div>
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<entry>
    <title>What is this mystery debris?</title>
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    <published>2008-09-11T19:32:57Z</published>
    <updated>2008-09-11T19:34:28Z</updated>

    <summary><![CDATA[If the Mendel Glacier area of Darwin Canyon could be summed up in one word, it would be "inhospitable." I can't remember being warm during the several days Mark Grossi and I spent there.&nbsp; Barely a thing grows, a few...]]></summary>
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        <name>Jody Murray</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[If the Mendel Glacier area of Darwin Canyon could be summed up in one word, it would be "inhospitable." I can't remember being warm during the several days Mark Grossi and I spent there.&nbsp; Barely a thing grows, a few scrubby shrubs, not even lichens like it much. Perhaps there is almost no soil that could have something to do with that. <br /><br />Everywhere is rock, from little pebbles to chunks the size of my living room. It was in this environment that an Army aircraft carrying four men crashed in November, 1942. Mark and I followed author Peter Stekel to Mendel this week to document his quest for answers to the cause of the crash and possibly find the final two airmen whose bodies have yet to be recovered from the ice. No bodies were found, which is not really surprising since they could be anywhere in the&nbsp; hundreds of acres of moving ice, snow, rock, and debris. <br /><br />But Stekel did discover some interesting debris related to the crash, such as a piece that was believed to be a part of a wing of the aircraft. Also there was a curious piece of leather with a length of tubular aluminum screwed to the leather. What could it be, we wondered. Stekel thought it might be part of some clothing, but that wouldn't explain why would it be attached to the metal tube? There must be aircraft buffs who would know the answer to this and be able to solve one part of the mystery of the crash of 1942. &nbsp; ]]>
        
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<entry>
    <title>That was a pika </title>
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    <id>tag:www.fresnobeehive.com,2008:/lostflights//22.9483</id>

    <published>2008-09-11T18:35:45Z</published>
    <updated>2008-09-11T18:43:19Z</updated>

    <summary>I kept hearing this kind of whistling chirp -- or maybe was a bark -- near my tent at 11,500 feet in Darwin Canyon. Turns out, it was a chubby little pika, and I was sleeping on his turf. I...</summary>
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        <name>Mark Grossi</name>
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        <![CDATA[<p>I kept hearing this kind of whistling chirp -- or maybe was a bark -- near my tent at 11,500 feet in Darwin Canyon. Turns out, it was a chubby little pika, and I was sleeping on his turf.</p>
<p>I had never seen a pika in the wild. They are rabbit-like critters, often called rock rabbits or whistling hares. Pikas can't live in warmer temperatures. As the planet warms up, they are forced to live&nbsp;at&nbsp;higher elevations.</p>
<p>The pika in Darwin Canyon&nbsp;was ticked off about my presence. I'm not sure, but I think he attempted a food raid while I was climbing to Mendel Glacier. </p>
<p>Who won this little tiff? Well, I packed up my tent and left Wednesday. Score one for the pika, zero for me.</p>
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    <title>On the road to Bishop</title>
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    <published>2008-09-06T23:31:21Z</published>
    <updated>2008-09-06T23:37:22Z</updated>

    <summary>We just passed over the edge of Long Valley Caldera. It&apos;s a massive hole -- we&apos;re talking nearly 20 miles wide -- where the Earth opened up and spewed magma all over the place. The eastern Sierra is a vast...</summary>
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        <name>Cyndee Fontana</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[<p>We just passed over the edge of Long Valley Caldera. It's a massive hole -- we're talking nearly 20 miles wide -- where the Earth opened up and spewed magma all over the place.</p>
<p>The eastern Sierra is a vast volcanic panorama, one of my favorite places. The caldera is a great example. The explosive eruption took place 700,000 years ago. Volcanic ash from the blast has been found as far away as Nebraska.</p>
<p>There are bubbling hot tubs hidden in the vast countryside. I've been here when it was 29 degrees outside and snow on the ground, yet there is still steam coming out of the rocks.</p>
<p>We're in Bishop now. And we're here for the granite and ice. Mount Mendel couldn't be more than 15 miles west of here. So our thoughts are turning to the plane crash and the missing victims.</p>
<p>But for a while, it has been a real pleasure to think about the volcanic past of the eastern Sierra.</p>
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<entry>
    <title>Tough to track crash site locations</title>
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    <id>tag:www.fresnobeehive.com,2008:/lostflights//22.9364</id>

    <published>2008-09-05T16:12:09Z</published>
    <updated>2008-09-05T16:33:25Z</updated>

    <summary>Mark Powell wrote to us about a 1970 plane crash in which his wife&apos;s grandmother died. Mark wants to know if we have the coordinates to crash. The short answer is disappointing, Mark. Our online map has dozens of points,...</summary>
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        <name>Mark Grossi</name>
        <uri>http://www.make-mine-muir.blogspot.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.fresnobee.com/957/story/837949.html">Mark Powell</a> wrote to us about a 1970 plane crash in which his wife's grandmother died. Mark wants to know if we have the coordinates to crash.</p>
<p>The short answer is disappointing, Mark. Our online map has dozens of points, but there is no assurance that any of them correspond with the crash you're reseaching. We're sorry.</p>
<p>Mark's research problem is pretty typical. Mark&nbsp;has the National Transportation Safety Board report on the accident, yet&nbsp;it does not contain the coordinates.</p>
<p>The problem illustrates one of our bigger headaches in this project. Nobody is the final authority on air crashes and the details surrounding them. Not the federal government, not the military, not the state and not any local agency that we could find.</p>
<p>For our online map, we have a list from the U.S. Air Force, which readily acknowledges that the sites are only places where wrecks reportedly have not been cleaned up. The military has no idea of the details on most of them.</p>
<p>The NTSB data base is interesting, but it, too, is far from complete. There were a slew of military crashes in the 1940s that are not included. And, as with any data collection, the information has holes as you look at crashes from decades ago.</p>
<p>For searchers in the&nbsp;field, the latitude and longitude coordinates are great starting points. But searchers say you need more than those coordinates for many crashes. A global positioning system, or GPS, unit comes in real handy in the Sierra -- this mountain range is simply&nbsp;a hulk of a natural resource.</p>
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    <title>Keep the comments and e-mail coming</title>
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    <id>tag:www.fresnobeehive.com,2008:/lostflights//22.9281</id>

    <published>2008-09-02T20:29:29Z</published>
    <updated>2008-09-02T20:57:13Z</updated>

    <summary>We got e-mail and comments after our first &quot;Lost Flights&quot; story published on Sunday. Fellow writer Cyndee Fontana and I are pleased that readers are interested in following our journey. We hope you keep writing. One commenter, Ron Thiesen, noted...</summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We got e-mail and comments after our first "Lost Flights" story published on Sunday. Fellow writer Cyndee Fontana and I are pleased that readers are interested in following our journey. We hope you keep writing.</p>
<p>One commenter, <a href="http://www.fresnobee.com/957/story/831679.html">Ron Thiesen</a>, noted that he has&nbsp;climbed&nbsp;Mount Darwin and spotted&nbsp;plane&nbsp;wreckage there. He assumed it was the same 1942 crash that killed four airmen&nbsp;on Mount Mendel, which is right next door to Darwin. He says he realizes now that it is not the 1942 crash.</p>
<p>We agree with Ron. We don't think it's the same crash either. According to Seattle author <a href="http://www.peterstekel.com/Final_Flight.htm">Peter Stekel</a>, who is writing about the Mendel crash, there was a different crash on Darwin in 1983. Don't know much more than that, at the moment.</p>
<p>Stekel says he may visit Darwin on his trip to the high Sierra next week. Our main target on the trip next week is Mendel Glacier where we're hoping to find more evidence of the crash and perhaps another victim.</p>
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<p>I am a sierra hiker and former climber. in the early 1980's i went up Mt. Darwin (a really enjoyable climb) and saw, on the large summit plataeau, the remnants of a plane crash.<br />when reading the first story several years ago about the ice mummy from the mendel glacier, i assumed the crashes were the same or related. after checking the topos, i realized this was not the case. do you have any information on the darwin crash?</p>]]>
        
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    <title>Wreckchasing 101</title>
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    <id>tag:www.fresnobeehive.com,2008:/lostflights//22.9225</id>

    <published>2008-08-29T18:37:30Z</published>
    <updated>2008-08-29T19:00:36Z</updated>

    <summary><![CDATA[Mark and I are getting a pretty good education on&nbsp;wreckchasing, the art of finding and hiking to historic airplane crashes. It's a growing hobby that&nbsp;combines a love of outdoors with a love of history. And you've really got to love...]]></summary>
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        <name>Cyndee Fontana</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[<p>Mark and I are getting a pretty good education on&nbsp;wreckchasing, the art of finding and hiking to historic airplane crashes.</p>
<p>It's a growing hobby that&nbsp;combines a love of outdoors with a love of history. And you've really got to love hiking, climbing and camping&nbsp;to&nbsp;get to some&nbsp;of the old wrecks lingering in the tough Sierra Nevada terrain.</p>
<p>When you think about it, these old crashes are like museum pieces. In some places, you can see big pieces of planes and in others, just&nbsp;bits and pieces -- like a decaying parachute flapping in the breeze.</p>
<p>Now Mark, in a way, is joining that wreckchasing fraternity with his hike&nbsp;up to the 1942 crash on the Mendel glacier. As a history buff, I'm anxious to see what he finds.&nbsp;</p>]]>
        
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    <title>Crash debris, diet and medical care</title>
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    <id>tag:www.fresnobeehive.com,2008:/lostflights//22.9220</id>

    <published>2008-08-29T17:16:14Z</published>
    <updated>2008-08-29T17:38:31Z</updated>

    <summary>A few followup questions about the high-elevation trek to Mendel have come from John Taylor, my friend who works at Community Medical Centers: Is there some law against touching the military crash? Am I carbo-loading my diet ahead of time?...</summary>
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        <name>Mark Grossi</name>
        <uri>http://www.make-mine-muir.blogspot.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>A few followup questions about the high-elevation trek to Mendel have come from <a href="http://blogs.medwatchtoday.com/blogs/jtaylor/default.aspx">John Taylor</a>, my friend who works at Community Medical Centers:</p>
<p>Is there some law against touching the military crash? Am I carbo-loading my diet ahead of time? And am I taking an advance&nbsp;medical directive?</p>
<p>I know of no law against hauling any part of the debris from the 1942 crash&nbsp;out of Kings Canyon National Park, but I have not intention of doing that. It's tough enough just to haul myself up to 12,400 feet. </p>
<p>By the way, it's not legal to take natural stuff -- rocks, pine cones, critters -- out of a national park. I'm not doing any of that, either.</p>
<p>I'm pretty much leaving footprints and taking pictures.</p>
<p>On the diet, I'm just trying to keep everything balanced, John. When I was running half&nbsp;marathons, I would load up on pasta the week before a race. But this is more a test of strength and core body conditioning&nbsp;for me.</p>
<p>On the trail, I'll be taking freeze-dried dinners, oatmeal, tortillas, peanut butter, dried fruit and other similar stuff to eat. </p>
<p>As for this advance medical directive, I don't have a clue. John sent me background information on it. Apparently, you can carry instructions on how you're supposed to be treated if you get hurt and can't communicate. Sounds like a good idea. I'll look into it.</p>
<p>Meantime, I hope to avoid the whole issue of emergency health care.</p>
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<entry>
    <title>Getting ready for the trek, Part II</title>
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    <id>tag:www.fresnobeehive.com,2008:/lostflights//22.9169</id>

    <published>2008-08-27T18:31:02Z</published>
    <updated>2008-08-27T20:52:18Z</updated>

    <summary>Yesterday, we talked about preparing physically for a trek to Mendel Glacier. I&apos;m answering a few questions from an old pal, John Taylor, director of public affairs at Community Medical Centers. You can read the questions here. So in answer...</summary>
    <author>
        <name>Mark Grossi</name>
        <uri>http://www.make-mine-muir.blogspot.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, we talked about preparing physically for a trek to Mendel Glacier. I'm answering a few questions from an old pal, <a href="http://blogs.medwatchtoday.com/blogs/jtaylor/default.aspx">John Taylor</a>, director of public affairs at Community Medical Centers. You can read the questions <a href="http://www.fresnobee.com/957/story/813634.html">here</a>.</p>
<p>So in answer to a few&nbsp;more questions: Yes, you need to bring food, medications (for me, motrin, which I take every night on the trail) and whatever diet supplement you might take. I bring Emergen C, a packet of powder with tons of vitamins and electrolytes. Others bring vitamin pills and Gatorade powder. You also need a water filter (don't drink the water without filtering it), light camp stove (hot coffee!) and lots of other stuff.</p>
<p>I usually bring nothing to read. I only carry pencils and a notebook for writing. The sun goes down pretty quick out there, so I may bring my I-pod Shuffle to hear a few downloaded NPR podcasts.</p>
<p>The only authorities I have consulted on this trip: The Inyo National Forest. I paid $10 for a wilderness permit, so I can spend several nights. The forest service allows a maximum of six people per day on this trail -- at least that's what the ranger told me.</p>
<p>I am carrying a satellite phone, which should allow me to contact folks if I need help. <a href="http://www.finalflightthebook.com/">Peter Stekel</a>, who is writing a book about this glacier and the mystery crash, will be there, and I believe he carries a GPS unit.</p>
<p>As for returning home to the family, John, I'm hardly noticed. Seriously, when I returned from Mount Whitney 13 years ago and told my kids I had been up to 14,497 feet, they yawned and asked if I was buying dinner that night.</p>
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<entry>
    <title>Yes, you could do this -- if your doctor agrees</title>
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    <id>tag:www.fresnobeehive.com,2008:/lostflights//22.9125</id>

    <published>2008-08-26T16:10:24Z</published>
    <updated>2008-08-29T20:41:01Z</updated>

    <summary><![CDATA[An old friend and journalism crony, John Taylor,&nbsp;e-mailed eight questions that are designed to see if he could&nbsp;take the trek to Mendel Glacier. See the questions in the comments on my first blog item. He's basically asking what he would...]]></summary>
    <author>
        <name>Mark Grossi</name>
        <uri>http://www.make-mine-muir.blogspot.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>An old friend and journalism crony, <a href="http://blogs.medwatchtoday.com/blogs/jtaylor/default.aspx">John Taylor</a>,&nbsp;e-mailed eight questions that are designed to see if he could&nbsp;take the trek to Mendel Glacier.</p>
<p>See the questions in the comments on my first blog item. He's basically asking what he would need to do to get ready for a trek like this. John is director of public affairs at Community Medical Centers.</p>
<p>So here goes, John. My first stop was my medical team -- you need a whole team when you're my age. I&nbsp;went to my general practioner&nbsp;for a full physical,&nbsp;checked the data from my cardiologist and asked&nbsp;my orthopedist. I'm good to go, they say.</p>
<p>So now let's talk about&nbsp;trekking with a 40-pound pack from 9,300 feet to about 13,000 feet in elevation. I'll cover the physical stuff in this blog item and&nbsp;follow up tomorrow with the rest of it.</p>
<p>I've been training about four months, mostly using a Nordictrack and running for the aerobic fitness. I keep it between 20 and 25 miles a week. I stopped running about a month ago and moved all my aerobics to the Nordictrack, just so my legs don't take any more pounding before the trek.</p>
<p>I use 15-pound weights for shoulder presses and curls. I like the lighter weights because I can tone and build endurance, which&nbsp;is most important to me on trips like these.&nbsp;I do&nbsp;several hundred repetitions on each exercise each week.</p>
<p>I also have a whole stretching and isometric regime for my legs,&nbsp;back and center of my body.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Lately, I've been walking three or four miles every other day with a 40-pound load in my pack.</p>
<p>All that said, there's nothing that prepares you for the first day on the trail, unless you've spent time at elevation. I haven't.&nbsp;I expect to breathe rather heavily. A lot.&nbsp;</p>
<p>Check back tomorrow for the rest of it. And, if you didn't catch the link earlier,&nbsp;check out <a href="http://blogs.medwatchtoday.com/blogs/jtaylor/default.aspx">JT's blog </a>on health care.</p>]]>
        
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<entry>
    <title>I&apos;m hooked, too</title>
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    <id>tag:www.fresnobeehive.com,2008:/lostflights//22.9111</id>

    <published>2008-08-25T21:46:35Z</published>
    <updated>2008-08-25T21:49:13Z</updated>

    <summary><![CDATA[I've always loved a good mystery. And what's better than a 66-year-old puzzle in our own back yard? &nbsp; That's what hooked me -- and my colleague Mark Grossi -- on this project. We wanted to know about that 1942...]]></summary>
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        <name>Cyndee Fontana</name>
        
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        <![CDATA[<div><span class="806392321-25082008"><font face="Arial" size="2">I've always loved a good mystery. And what's better than a 66-year-old puzzle in our own back yard?</font></span></div>
<div><span class="806392321-25082008"><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="806392321-25082008"><font face="Arial" size="2">That's what hooked me -- and my colleague Mark Grossi -- on this project. We wanted to know about that 1942 crash that took the lives of four airmen. And we wanted to know more about the Sierra to help explain why&nbsp;it's&nbsp;such a potentially forbidding place to fly.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="806392321-25082008"><font face="Arial" size="2">Mark's the outdoorsy type, so he's the natural choice to crawl up to&nbsp;Mendel Glacier. And to be fair, I've told him he's free to drink as much coffee up there as he can carry.</font></span></div>
<div><span class="806392321-25082008"><font face="Arial" size="2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="806392321-25082008"><font face="Arial" size="2">I've been the research rat, poking around for stories about famous crashes&nbsp;--&nbsp;like the&nbsp;Huntington Lake B-24 bomber.&nbsp;And I've talked to several survivors of crashes in the Sierra, all of whom tell incredible tales.</font></span></div>
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<div><span class="806392321-25082008"><font face="Arial" size="2">Our stories start to roll out this Sunday. Mark takes off for Mendel the following weekend. Hope you'll be along for the ride.</font></span></div>
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<entry>
    <title>Crampons? Yes? No?</title>
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    <id>tag:www.fresnobeehive.com,2008:/lostflights//22.9061</id>

    <published>2008-08-22T15:05:40Z</published>
    <updated>2008-08-22T15:29:04Z</updated>

    <summary><![CDATA[ Should you use crampons this late in the season on California's wimpy glaciers? No way, say most folks.&nbsp;Just take your trekking poles and you'll be fine.I raised this question on my own blog earlier this month. I asked for...]]></summary>
    <author>
        <name>Mark Grossi</name>
        <uri>http://www.make-mine-muir.blogspot.com/</uri>
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        <![CDATA[<p>
<span class="mt-enclosure mt-enclosure-image" style="DISPLAY: inline"><img class="mt-image-left" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 20px 20px 0px" height="350" alt="" src="http://www.fresnobeehive.com/lostflights/cmiadjustablecrampon.jpg" width="350" /></span>Should you use crampons this late in the season on California's wimpy glaciers? No way, say most folks.&nbsp;<br /><br />Just take your trekking poles and you'll be fine.<br /><br />I raised this question on <a href="http://glacialmystery.blogspot.com/">my own blog </a>earlier this month. I asked for help and got zero reaction. I'm hoping for more here.</p>
<p>I use trekking poles,&nbsp;but I don't want to find myself bumping down a slope filled with hardened sun cups next&nbsp;month.&nbsp;I've got a set of instep crampons --&nbsp;jagged cleats&nbsp;that you clamp onto your boot.</p>
<p>They're smaller and lighter than regular crampons. They look a lot like the crampons on my snowshoes. I figure I'll carry the extra 11 ounces, just in case.</p>
<p>But if anyone has suggestions, I would appreciate hearing them.</p>
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