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Fulton 55: The controversy has begun

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While the local music community is bubbling with anticipation for in-the-works local music venue Fulton 55, not all the club’s neighbors are happy.

Fulton 55 — scheduled to open in December at the corner of Fulton and Divisadero streets — has drawn the ire of some neighboring churches, who have filed complaints about the venue opening close to them.

Ultimately, a planning commission meeting on Dec. 1 (it was originally scheduled for last week) will make the call.

But first, Fulton 55 is inviting the community to an informational meeting at 6 p.m. Wednesday at Iron Bird Cafe . Venue management will go over its plans and answer questions from the community.

Is it just me, or does all this all sound a little too similar to the controversy that surrounded the Neighborhood Thrift mural?

UPDATE: Ranee Johnson, co-owner of Wildrose Chapel & Funeral Home, located diagonal from Fulton 55, is one of its opposers. She says the club will bring too many people and cars to a neighborhood that cannot accommodate them.

Chief among her concerns were parking, safety, the club being open until 2 a.m. and alcohol being served. She cited Salvation Army and Evangel Home as other nearby business that share the same concerns.

She also said her chapel sometimes hosts viewings in the evenings. But she often came to parking as an issue, explaining that people would have to park and walk to Fulton 55 and that the area wasn’t the safest.

“I have a single daughter who likes to go to these things and I certainly wouldn’t want her walking two or three blocks on city streets to get to these events,” Johnson said.

She said she has already filed a written complaint with the city, and plans to attend Wednesday’s meeting.

Responses to "Fulton 55: The controversy has begun"

NerdMom says:

I am curious to hear their problems with it.

Famous says:

Ugh. This is just unfortunate. Typical and unfortunate.

kiel says:

Let’s show our support of this much needed venue.

Steve says:

No, Mike, it’s a different kind of opposition than a mural. You only have to look at a mural.
55 Fulton will produce noise, people, parking issues, etc.

Residents, churches and some nearby non-profit agencies are are resistant to Fulton 55 because of the club’s location. I venture that most of them want to see a vibrant downtown nightlife, but one that includes well-planned clubs and galleries in an area distanced from family oriented neighborhoods.

55 Fulton’s opposition was living, working and serving the area long before anyone thought of bringing a medium sized venue to the edge of an already-troubled neighborhood.

I think they have a valid concern and should not be lumped together as if they were a bunch of uptight buzzkillers.

Mike Oz says:

I’m not trying to characterize the opposition by saying it’s similar to the mural. I’m characterizing the process.

Something happened. People got upset. There was a meeting about it. The community becomes divided. We spend lots of time arguing about it online.

down the street says:

No it sounds too familiar with the now vacant for many years Adult Theater that used to be down the street from there that closed in the 1980s because of neighborhood complaints.

Paul F says:

So let me get this straight. This venue is located in a commercial district, in a commercial building. It is also located in the Fulton region that is in the process of developing the “Fulton Specific Plan” which not surprisingly will make it easier for entertainment / nightlife / a full-blown entertainment district to develop.

Now right smack dab in the middle of that space developers have been allowed to build lofts. One project is located adjacent to Tokyo Garden – as in next door neighbor.

And now these “residents” are interested in a quiet neighborhood?

SERIOUSLY?

james says:

Parking, noise, proximity to a “family oriented” yet “troubled” neighborhood – sounds like a great reason to oppose the church a few doors down, too.

Tone says:

This is why we can never have nice things.

NerdMom says:

Steve, are you saying that you think it is a problem? I have to say that I think that (based on my understanding) Fulton 55 is a bit less of a family neighborhood than the Starline and stuff in that area.

I think that for there to be a vibrant downtown life it can’t be separated from where everyone lives.

But if ppl have a problem now is the time to get them resolved.

kiel says:

Good points Steve.

Bryan Harley says:

I think the residents he’s referring to are north of Divisadero.

Conlan says:

People are talking like this is in the middle of a residential neighborhood. The entrance is on Divisadero, a commercial street. The only purely residential complex within a few hundred feet is at the venue’s back (limiting noise) and separated by space and other businesses. The churches do have services on weeknights, which may cause parking problems, but as far as I know the venue is the only one who has actually made parking arrangements for its patrons.

Steve says:

NerdMom and all,

I’m speaking on behalf of my neighbors on that side of the ‘hood. I’m also speaking on behalf of residents who live near Babylon in the Tower– a much smaller venue that still creates plenty of noise and traffic. Whether you consider it to be a family neighborhood is not part of the process, THEY consider it. And of course, they should respond when something is planned in THEIR neighborhood. I’ll restate that the fact that they respond with opposition doesn’t negate their opinions and shouldn’t qualify them as fuddyduddies.

I believe the location is dual-zoned for commercial and residency. Good planning will allow for better success of the club and the neighborhood.

Personally, I like the idea of a medium sized music venue nearby! I REALLY like the idea of good neighbors.

Maybe they’re scared they will hear the music and like it, and ignite their otherwise boring lives.

kiel says:

For those that don’t know the neighborhood, Divisidero is literally a dividing line between downtown and the Lowell neighborhood to the north.

A club startling that line does require special consideration.

I think having the parking agreement to the south with the African American Museum will help ensure less impact from the parking.

I also think the choice to locate the entrance on Divisadero rather than on Fulton was a good move. It will keep most the activity on the commercial street.

Heather says:

I don’t understand Ms. Johnson’s concerns about safety. Won’t more people in the area make it safer?

“Eyes on the street.”

NerdMom says:

Steve, I am not saying those ppl are fuddy duddies. Was just wondering about the issues.

But on the subject of walking and parking, one of the benefits I have seen about going to events… When you get a group parking together I fell safer out walking;).

Childers says:

I agree that we shouldn’t rush to judgment just because neighboring businesses and families want some clarification. They are certainly entitled, and at this point I think it is important to keep an open mind on both sides of the issue. From what I have heard, it seems like this venue has done careful planning – so hopefully when all of the details then come to light there will be ample opportunity for compromise. I’m actually impressed that the opposition has come forward, I much prefer that to anonymous attacks.

Conlan says:

I agree. Everything the venue has done seems to direct traffic (both foot and auto) to the south.

The safety argument from Ms. Johnson seems based on the assumption that it’s never safe for anyone to walk around this area after dark. There are certainly arguments for that way of thinking, but if no one takes initiative to do something about it, then it obviously won’t change. As someone who lives a block away on the Lowell side, and who often walks home after dark, I welcome as many people to walk around that area as will fit. That would make me, personally, feel safer.

Floydy says:

The church a couple doors down from Fulton 55 is loud, causes parking issues and goes until later in the evening several times a week.

And it’s not a big deal. It’s real life and necessary for a vibrant community.

If the developer of the project was willing to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in the community by putting together a business that will also pay city, state and federal taxes — the least the community owes it is to wait until there’s an actionable issue before they start complaining.

Sabrina says:

My business is in Iron Bird Lofts and I frequent the businesses in the area. I have no problem walking a few blocks at night if needed. I do not feel that my safety is and issue.

Yeah, lets keep this neighborhood crummy and rundown. A place where Fresnans are afraid to go. Most of these opponents are merely being selfish. When is Fresno going to grow up and become a big city? Or shall we keep building sprawling strip malls and keep downtown deader than a door nail?!

As a local “artist” (I rap), I think it’s a great idea. I also think that the local business owners, and churches trying to stand in the way of something that benefits the local art/music scene can drink a turd slurpee.

donnymarvin says:

In no way shape or form would I have walked those streets three years ago, looked like a good place to buy drugs or some night time fun. Improvements are incredible, it has a much better feel and look to it and this will only add to that feel.

We have to move forward, so this is change, some people are afraid of change.

Dan says:

The whining that the “neighbors” are engaging in reminds me of the whines when the art work went in at the Lofts–the churches complained it was ungodly.

As for the Evangel Home and its ilk, I’ve heard nothing but complaints for years about how the Tower, especially Lower Tower and the Lowell ‘hood is a dumping ground for social service agencies no other part of town will tolerate. Now, the neighborhood blighters complain about something that’ll help clean up that slum.

Steve says:

I don’t think anyone’s afraid of change. I like the changes I’m seeing downtown. I like wise and considerate planning, too.

Dan, I don’t know you, but it seems any opposition in your direction is “whining” in your mind. Regarding complaints from neighbors– Would you prefer the data instead that supports their constant “whining”? Be a good Fresnan and give them the benefit of their time and experience.

Also, Evangel Home and its ilk carry a burden for the rest of the city. I wouldn’t be so quick to throw stones at service groups who pre-date the Downtown Fresno Revitalization Movement. They are your allies and if they don’t like your art, their opinion is just as valid as your right to display said art. I’d give ‘em just a little more respect for doing the work few will do.

Bryan Harley says:

From the funeral home’s perspective, think about how much that intersection has changed in the past couple years. But guess what? Change isn’t going to stop, that whole area is transforming. Just wait until Wildrose is turned into a nightclub, a zombie nightclub.

I will be there at 6 oclock sharp, I want to see this process in action , both sides have good points

Jonah says:

The Fulton 55 space looks beautiful so far! I’m excited for that ugly deserted space to be something Fresno can be proud of. I’m pretty sure a place that embraces music and attracts paying customers will draw a better crowd than the thrift stores, a church full of recovering junkies, a laundry mat that looks like refuge for drifters and a liquor store that I’m pretty sure sells ammo.

I’m confused why they’re concerned about the safety of the concert goers and not their congregation. I’m pretty sure the Taco Bell by Fresno City College is more dangerous than the Iron Bird Loft Block.

Jenn says:

I am neighbor to Fulton 55. I am NOT complaining about the club. My family made a conscience decision to move into the downtown/lowell area. We are young adults, with a young child, we bought a lot and built a house. Along with Ironbird and the new GV Urban, this is exactly what we’ve been waiting for! I think this is a step in the right direction.

Ranae says:

If there are residents or churches that do not want to live downtown where it is noisy or busy and full of all aspects of people and entertainment, then they should seek residence elsewhere.

They should know that that is what living downtown is about. Any vibrant, healthy downtown should be filled with music (as well as various other artistic venues), restaurants, shopping, etc. whether it be night or day.

We need to fill our downtown with what will bring people to it!

It can be done. Even here in Fresno.

Onward Fulton Mall… Good luck Fulton 55 –
Hopefully a forward step to trying to bring this city to life!

NerdMom says:

I am glad that there will be a meeting to help air issues without going to the city council first. But Fulton 55 does seem to be walking right along the plan for this area.

Michael Medrano says:

We need purpose in the downtown community and Fulton 55 will serve the community with a sense of purpose. There are people literally destroying themselves in that area– quality run performance space is a necessary component for downtown’s survival.

floydy says:

i can’t wait for this new live music venue to open up right in the heart of the mortuary district.

JJJJJ says:

“But she often came to parking as an issue, explaining that people would have to park and walk to Fulton 55 and that the area wasn’t the safest.”

Yes, because keeping the area empty is bound to make it safer right?

Everybody knows that eyes on the street = safety. Well, actually, the idea is foreign to Fresno, where people think a low traffic cul-de-sac with nobody around is the epitome of safety, even though studies show cul-de-sac homes have higher robbery rates due to the lack of nosy through traffic.

Anyway, the point is, concerts = people. People = safety. Does she worry about her daughter in the supermarket or the mall?

philip says:

Fresno, for its size lacks culture. We need more places and venues like this to attract non Fresno natives to our very talented but very limited art/music community. A “problem” with parking shouldn’t stop a city from being able to promote its culture. This could be a great win for Fresno arts.

Kate Brown says:

The opposition to this new music venue and frankly the pervasive attitude is one of the reasons I left Fresno. I now live in Northern California in a Small Town that has a thriving downtown area…Not huge empty buildings that invite the homeless and vandals, but fun shops, eateries and theater/concert/night venues. It is safe because it has been developed and designed that way. Fresno you need to get your head out of the sand and deal with your dying downtown and stop the ugly spread of junky albeit expensive homes and strip malls to the fields surrounding Fresno that feed our world.

Dan says:

Steve–literally none of the long-time Tower residents want these social service agencies in the area. The neighborhood blocked one from going in near Blackstone and Belmont about a year ago, citing an over-saturation of these uses south of Olive Avenue. Chief Dyer would like to close as many of the “sober living,” “parole houses” and other groups in the area as he could, and the city has discussed an ordinance that would limit the number per block to may be one or two. For them to complain smacks of a tremendous amount of gall.

Let’s review what’s at that intersection: an abandoned officer building, a church whose members I’ve been told create problems for the neighborhood, very similar to the problems the BAART clinic does (that’s located on Van Ness near Belmont); the wedding chapel and the Lofts. Frankly, the office building and the “church” should be bulldozed if the owners aren’t planning to rehab them. Oh yes, I forgot the abandoned apartments north of Fulton 55–I understand our tax dollars are going to be used to buy and rehab them in the near-future. Fulton 55 is going to be a vast improvement over most of what’s there now.

Let’s put it another way: the area is changing, and Silvercrest and the Evangel Home better get used to it. Especially, when the new zoning code and specific plan goes into effect. I’ve been told the intent for downtown is mixed use in every block possible, and placement of high-value development in the neighborhoods surrounding downtown. It may be that the social service agencies will end up having to leave as gentification takes hold.

Stephen says:

This might end up being one of those difficult 51-49 decisions.

The venue sounds delicious – larger than any other smallish venue, and while I haven’t seen the inside I’m told it’s pretty awesome – the upstairs balcony overlooking the downstairs dance/stage.

For out of town promoters (and even larger locals), this is a potential answer for a band that draws bigger than Starline/Audie’s, but smaller than Savemart/Warners/Saroyan.

But. Those types of mid-draw acts aren’t really super-common, and often have really difficult riders to fill. I don’t know what sound/lighting/backstage Fulton 55 will offer.

The concern is, of course, that many local acts will want to play this terrific venue, but with draws of only 100-300 people, will the venue look barren and have trouble making ends meet?

And when they do draw 1200 folks, parking could be a problem indeed. For safety and patrol purposes, it’s nice when parking is limited to a couple of nearby lots and some street parking, but Fulton 55 will be all street parking, in all directions. That’s tough to patrol, and late-night taxi rides, walks to the cars, and those few idiot fights could be equally difficult to control.

I’m all for a new venue, and really love what’s going on in the area, but my opinion really means bubkiss with this one. It should be a really interesting meeting indeed, and I hope folks at least give it a chance. Failure is not something to fear, it’s a learning experience for everyone to help Fresno grow.

Mike Oz says:

Just to clarify, capacity at Fulton 55 will be about 500, not 1,200.

djclintstorm says:

LOL Now THAT’S funny. Totally agree

Steve says:

Good points there. Stephen and even Dan. However, Dan: again, you make the dictatorial statement that the area is changing and places like Evangel Home and Silvercrest need to get used to it. That’s no solution, and certainly obnoxious to those who are in favor of change, but may have reservations about the effects of those changes. The informational meeting tonight, if well-attended, could be very beneficial for both sides. OR, it could just be a cheering match for the attitude you carry– which offers little solution or consideration for current residents.

I’ll repeat what I wrote before that the majority of the residents and businesses in the area are DEFINITELY in favor of the changes they see downtown and in their area. To paint them all with the brush of “resistance to change”, “hating newness, youth, music, art,” whatever, is irresponsible and antisocial.

Don’t worry. This isn’t “Footloose”, the kids will get their dance. It might even happen on Fulton/Divisadero. If it does, I’ll be there supporting it, looking forward to seeing Rogue Festival there, etc.

Until then, give the locals some room to express their concerns.

Stephen says:

Thanks for the clarification.

That does reduce the out-of-town promotion thing a bit.

MsJoey says:

*Like
Oh wait! This isn’t Facebook?

MsJoey says:

Steve,
I see so many great points made by you.
I agree with all of them.
I understand everyone else’s concerns however, they don’t live in your neighborhood so they don’t understand you concerns.
You make some very valid and articulate points, especially about the Evangel Home. I appreciate you sticking to your guns and expressing yourself so respectfully and eloquently.
Hopefully the meeting won’t be a waste of time and something can be worked out.
As far as I’m concerned, those who own homes and businesses in the Lowell District have every right to feel those concerns.

Another Steve says:

Ok. I’m a musician in Fresno and when i heard about a new venue that seats around 500 people I got excited! But then when I heard WHERE it was, I thought back to my first “business” class lesson, location location location. I am all for the revitalization of downtown, and I like having lunch at the Iron Bird Cafe. I would’ve liked to see a more “central” located venue that is actually ON or CLOSE to the Fulton Mall. I wouldn’t walk from Fulton 55 to the Fulton mall at night and i work downtown.
Rainbow Ballroom and Warmor’s theater are similar in capacity I think (not an expert) and they have limited success filling their seats, I think. Fulton 55 is at the very end of what is considered downtown. And then Full Circle? What is their capacity? Downtown Visalia is pretty awesome. You can actually walk from venue to venue, restaurant to pub, plenty of parking, etc. I don’t know. I don’t see why any out of town booking managers would bring acts to this spot. I have seen a lot of great out town acts play to 10 or 20 people at Audie’s, famously known as Club Fred and that was really sad! Just my two cents. I do hope it takes off, but I have to say the location does not seem ideal and that’s rule #1.

Matthew Reade O'Donnell says:

Downtown Los Angeles used to be residential at one point. Now it is mostly commercial with some mixed use (high-risk condos and such) point is, eventually all of those homes and businesses will be razed and replaced, including 55 Fulton some day. Progress is inevitable. This is a good move and I wish I had the capitol to put a taco stand right next to it. And then someday, they would tear that down too, and I’d complain about progress because I’d be a buzzkilling fuddyduddy by then. Get off my lawn you unruly kids with beepity blipity futuristic so called music!

Curious says:

What is the number that Frank’s Place or the Star Palace can hold? Isn’t this a little like urban sprawl? We have buildings not being used, but lets open another place down the street and around the corner.

The two parties not interested in working together to make it happen?

john ostlund says:

I walked through Fulton 55 a couple of weeks ago. It’s a great idea at the perfect time and will add to the momentum of downtown revitalization and improve security throughout the neighborhood. The neighboring businesses and residents should come together and work on parking issues and other concerns.

Gerre Brenneman says:

Dan,
May I offer you a tour of the Evangel Home? You might be surprised by our history and our presence in the neighborhood.

Rob says:

Is there really any sense in beating a dead horse? Lets face the reality. The underlying issue is that downtown is dead. With numerous ideas and failed attempts of revitalization, downtown today maintains its tainted reputation as the place not to be. Lets focus our efforts else where and make Tower District the “New” Down Town. Though the idea of a new venue is grand, without true advocacy from the community, it’s all just a bunch of chatter.

NerdMom says:

Another Steve, talking about its location. I think that this location is pretty good! Not only do you get those who are already downtown, it is also pretty close to the freeway and an easy find. Then you might tap into all those ppl who get nervous about getting lost downtown.

Harsh says:

Another thing I think we are all forgetting here is that JOBS and ticket REVENUE will be created in an area that needs both. I understand the local concerns, but in a depressed economy if the area has an opportunity to add something it should be seriously looked at… It is a WIN WIN for the city. Lets hope the planning folks see it that way, or its going to turn into another instance of the cities left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.

Steve says:

I can’t attend tonight’s meeting at Iron Bird. Looking forward to hearing the results.

Famous says:

Again, ugh.

I will forgo what I want to say about the issue of parking and say this:

If the venue and its neighbors can’t figure out a way to make this work, it will be major proof that we are neither ready or willing to make forward movement toward becoming a vibrant/exciting place to live.

Dan says:

Steve–I hope the meeting tonight goes well. Given the Iron Bird Loft art controversy where threats of lawsuits were made by the churches because they felt the art work violated their religious beliefs, I do question whether the meeting will result in anything good or not.

The point I was making earlier is that progress may overtake the social service agencies in that area, and either they get ahead of the curve and work productively with the business people wanting to come in, or they WILL be left behind and their opinion relegated to the trash can.

Steve, most of the social service groups came in because the real estate was cheap and no one else wanted to be there at the time. The Evangel Home is most likely a non-conforming use, and it could be interesting if Code Enforcement was prompted to look into how they were allowed to operate a woman’s shelter in a residential area. In Clovis, they would be immediately closed down by the City.

Steve says:

Dan,

Would you tell us WHO threatened a lawsuit regarding Iron Bird’s artwork?

Finally, it appears you have a beef with service agencies in working in the downtown area. Do you really think Fresno Code Enforcement has no idea what goes on at Evangel Home? Ridiculous.

The Evangel Home is a supervised RESIDENCY designed to help homeless women and children. It’s been very successful. You may want to visit
Yosemite Street to learn more about the agency and how you could help it.

There definitely is a way for these agencies to co-exist with plans for adding more life in the area. Discussion is vital for BOTH sides. I don’t think this fact says anything negative about Fresno, either.

Dan says:

Yes, the local media reported that Cornerstone Church members threatened to sue the City and Iron Bird Lofts after the gargoyles were installed. Mike, you should remember this–Channel 30 had the first reports, and I think you mentioned the dust-up in one of your columns.

Steve, you claim to be a Tower resident, yet you seem abysmally ignorant of the long-standing issues with “social service agencies” north of Divisadero. If you subscribe to the Tower Exchange Yahoo group, you might post a question about how residents view the over-saturation (there are several hundred “social service agencies operating between Divisadero and McKinley in the greater Tower and Lowell ‘hoods). You may be shocked by the angry responses. Most people with an opinion want them gone. Suggest moving them to Ken and Barbie Land in Northeast Fresno and listen to the cheers from the Towerites and the angry comments from the north enders.

I just hope the meeting is productive, though given the reported comments from the opponents, I’m hard pressed to believe it will be.

young republicans for a vibrant downtown Fresno says:

I love to see some parking problems downtown! I think that both side should have a voice but man do we need more going on after dark down here. Hmmm The last show I went to didn’t start until nine pm and Ive never went to church past half five and come to think of it I’ve never went to a wake any later the six pm. eh so whats the problem??

Dan says:

There isn’t one really, just some people who like things (the slum) the way they are now, and are trying to manufacture ways to block progress. Fresno at its finest!

Vince Warner says:

Wow. Noise and people Downtown. Imagine that.

MisterJ says:

Live downtown, very close, and I’m really excited for this. I’m sure I’m far away enough that parking and noise won’t be a concern for me, but I understand why the closer neighbors are.

All I can say is that if you want a vibrant downtown, support what is here now and those who want to invest here. That means spend your money here as much as you can, and believe it or not, you can even live here.

The real question is, why did the renovate the building before getting planning approval?

Michael says:

There was a good turn out tonight for the meeting, but it got a bit derailed when people started asking venue-specific questions like what kind of bands would be booked there, etc. But to me it seems that the owners have done what they can to address the concerns that the neighbors have complained about (which they are entitled to despite what some feel about that have posted here).

This is a good thing for the area, and Fresno in general. It will bring money into a location that needs it. And when it is successful (and I say when, not if), other businesses will then spring up to take advantage of the increased number of people in the area.

I really hope the people who commented on the Beehive and who showed up at the meeting tonight attending the planning committee meeting to be held in December (1st or 2nd I can’t remember). If they did there is no way the city would deny this venue.

Drake WInter says:

Do the owners have a contact?

Dan says:

MisterJ, they did the renovations because that’s how the city planning process works. The city will only process real projects, not someone coming into the counter saying “I’d like to do this.” So, the owners had to make substantial progress on fixing the building before the planning department would process the conditional use permit application.

Moss Posner says:

Ahh…remember–”environmental impact study?” And the history of Fulton Street is a disaster revisited. Okay, mebbie it’s not the exact same as the noise somewhere else, but if Fresno wants to put something near Fulton “Mall,” watch out.

Dan says:

This won’t require an EIR, Moss. The City will process this with a quick and dirty Initial Study tied to the General Plan Master EIR (which is how almost every project in Fresno is handled now). A Negative Declaration will be approved before the Planning Commission hearing for this proposal.

Cynthia Cooper says:

Thank you to those who post with an interest of finding consensus. It’s easy to be positional: I’m right – they’re wrong, since it doesn’t require much more than blame.

My question is how do we find ways to make it work best as possible for all involved?

If you really want things to work, roll your sleeves up and build a community that works for everyone.

We need strong businesses, cultural arts, social services and safe neighborhoods – all of it.

Cherie Fountaine says:

It is still my belief that if we bring entertainment to the downtown area, people will come, and downtown will “revitalize”. We need a draw and entertainment IS IT. Collectively we can make this happen. Quality, live entertainment is a vital part of any “vibrant” and “alive” city. Fresnans need to stop whining about how there is nothing to do and start investing in the things that can/will make it happen. Doesn’t that make sense? I think so!

Cherie Fountaine says:

It is still my belief that if we bring entertainment to the downtown area, people will come, and downtown will “revitalize”. We need a draw and entertainment IS IT. Collectively we can make this happen. Quality, live entertainment is a vital part of any “vibrant” and “alive” city. Fresnans need to stop whining about how there is nothing to do and start investing in the things that can/will make it happen. Doesn’t that make sense? I think so!

Arnie says:

A funeral director saying the area isn’t safe at night? Yah, because of the damn ghosts around your establishment causing invisible mischief. YOU are the cause of the unsafeness. YOU should be the one moving, not 55.

Debbie says:

The Salvation Army forgets their own history. William Booth founded the church for the poor and working class people and he placed his churches in the areas that needed him most which included bar and hangout areas.. The neighborhood should be happy to have life brought back into it. If they want solitude then maybe they can move out in the country somewhere.